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Post by italion on Aug 10, 2015 12:28:28 GMT 1
This was the case when we signed him a year ago, why was no one complaining then? Exactly. Before the court case he was innocent until proved guilty. He was subsequently found guilty and is now making an appeal. He is therefore still guilty until his appeal is heard. That is the difference. |
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Post by jonsnow on Aug 10, 2015 16:46:43 GMT 1
Yes and people are never wrongly convicted, I'm still judging him on his time at Livi and looks like Burchill is doing the same. I think he's in a better position than you or I to judge Declan's character, working with him every day.
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Post by misdemeanor on Aug 10, 2015 18:22:53 GMT 1
I am sorry to say that despite the comments of "going around in circles" on this one, the fact remains as far as business practice goes, this was by far not good business sense, and before I get the barrage of abuse about the "player" and how important he is to the team, may I suggest that the last two appearances have been nothing to write home about. Yes there is the aspect of missing pre-season, but in my humble opinion, Declan has made no difference to our back four on the last two appearances. Now that very well might improve.
We can judge him by last season, fair enough, but unless performances of an exceptional and I mean exceptional standard that equates to world class, then I am sorry he simply should not be representing Livingston Football Club, until after his appeal.
I have no doubt that when the appeal comes to court, and should we have a miscarriage of justice in Declan`s favour, then I will be the first to sing from the roof tops, however, as we beg the question about the club standing by him, surely if he was of a brilliantly high standard of football talent, Dundee would have done what Livingston done and pulled the gamble handle to believe in the lad and kept him on?
Yes we all knew about last season and trial hanging above his head, but like everything else happening at Livingston last season, this really was not a major issue, but since we have a new board with a new direction and hopefully some stability in the club, it now becomes focus point, as it reached the Scottish news and was on television it has now raised its head very much in the public eye.
To be honest we could talk about this one for months, but perhaps the site should carry out a poll, simply those in favour of him playing at the club is a yes, and those who are not simply a No. However regardless, he has been signed and he is at the club for the foreseeable.
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Post by Auldnick on Aug 10, 2015 18:33:56 GMT 1
Before the court case he was innocent until proved guilty. He was subsequently found guilty and is now making an appeal. He is therefore still guilty until his appeal is heard. That is the difference. An appeal which is apparently based on erroneous direction from the judge which means that the possibility exists that the only reason they found him guilty was due to this judicial error; thus I prefer to think he is innocent of the bat assault until proven otherwise. That is the difference between your view & mine; you want the letter of the law (be careful, a pound of flesh means no blood) while I want to go with the spirit of law which saw him released. If you want to go by the letter of the law that's ok but I hope you never exceed 20 in a 20 zone, 30 in a 30 etc right up to 70 on the motorway, if you want ot enforce the letter of the law then you better be keeping it perfectly yourself. Clearly he has admitted involvement but has shown remorse by word & by deed given his behaviour since. And in that I include his "yap yap yap" gesture towards Neddy Ferguson & cupping his ears towards the Clyde supporters, which IMO was banter given & taken. The courts clearly perceive him as safe to be out in public, unlikely to flee before his appeal is heard & eligible to earn a living, so regardless of the verdict who are we to argue with the decision of the court? |
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Post by Auldnick on Aug 10, 2015 18:40:57 GMT 1
I am sorry to say that despite the comments of "going around in circles" on this one, the fact remains as far as business practice goes, this was by far not good business sense, and before I get the barrage of abuse about the "player" and how important he is to the team, may I suggest that the last two appearances have been nothing to write home about. Yes there is the aspect of missing pre-season, but in my humble opinion, Declan has made no difference to our back four on the last two appearances. Now that very well might improve. We can judge him by last season, fair enough, but unless performances of an exceptional and I mean exceptional standard that equates to world class, then I am sorry he simply should not be representing Livingston Football Club, until after his appeal. I have no doubt that when the appeal comes to court, and should we have a miscarriage of justice in Declan`s favour, then I will be the first to sing from the roof tops, however, as we beg the question about the club standing by him, surely if he was of a brilliantly high standard of football talent, Dundee would have done what Livingston done and pulled the gamble handle to believe in the lad and kept him on? Yes we all knew about last season and trial hanging above his head, but like everything else happening at Livingston last season, this really was not a major issue, but since we have a new board with a new direction and hopefully some stability in the club, it now becomes focus point, as it reached the Scottish news and was on television it has now raised its head very much in the public eye. To be honest we could talk about this one for months, but perhaps the site should carry out a poll, simply those in favour of him playing at the club is a yes, and those who are not simply a No. However regardless, he has been signed and he is at the club for the foreseeable. I don't see how people saying how important he it to the squad is abusing you? I believe it was his decision to leave Dundee, I could be wrong but I was under the impression he wanted to remain in our division. I didn't see the game at Raith but I disagree with your assessment of his performance against Clyde, he was easily one of the better performers in a Livi shirt that day; strolling through most of the match & he could have played in slippers, smoking jacket & cravat with a cigar in one hand & a brandy in the other had he chosen to. (Yes I'm exaggerating from the word strolling, but only to match your exaggeration in the other direction). Don't see the point of a poll...he's signed for the club until the outcome of his appeal, you don't have to like it but you might as well lump it. |
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Post by misdemeanor on Aug 10, 2015 18:46:07 GMT 1
I don't see how people saying how important he it to the squad is abusing you? I believe it was his decision to leave Dundee, I could be wrong but I was under the impression he wanted to remain in our division. I didn't see the game at Raith but I disagree with your assessment of his performance against Clyde, he was easily one of the better performers in a Livi shirt that day; strolling through most of the match & he could have played in slippers, smoking jacket & cravat with a cigar in one hand & a brandy in the other had he chosen to. (Yes I'm exaggerating from the word strolling, but only to match your exaggeration in the other direction). Don't see the point of a poll...he's signed for the club until the outcome of his appeal, you don't have to like it but you might as well lump it. We agree to disagree then, I must have been at the wrong Clyde game, I knew that I had done something wrong that day, here is me standing by a RIVER, with some sort of ship getting built, ah well, never mind!! |
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Post by jonsnow on Nov 24, 2015 14:19:10 GMT 1
This place will go into meltdown if we sign Craig Thomson.
Sheesh:
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Post by ladywelllion on Nov 24, 2015 20:02:05 GMT 1
the club cannot sign Craig Thomson, we will be vilified by every football fan in Scotland
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Post by Auldnick on Nov 24, 2015 23:35:06 GMT 1
We are Livi, not-so-super-Livi, no one likes us, we don't care....sign him or don't sign him, doesn't matter much to me either way. And we pretty well are vilified by opposition fans for being a plastic club with plastic fans & reprobates in the team & in the boardroom...wait, did I say "opposition fans"? Actually our own fans do a pretty good job of that as well.
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Post by Auldnick on Nov 24, 2015 23:37:50 GMT 1
On a more serious note...I saw that they are apparently interested in a young Australian player recommended by Gavin Rae...I think the guys name was Jacob Esposito.
To revert to my less than serious frame of mind...maybe I shouldn't have mentioned he is Australian...he's bound be the descendent of some heinous criminal and as we all know, the apple never falls far from the tree.
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