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Post by Mr Angry on Jul 25, 2015 10:30:30 GMT 1
I know I'm not the only one who is disgusted that we've resigned after this character. It speaks volumes about the mind set at the club under this new board.
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Post by italion on Jul 25, 2015 13:27:03 GMT 1
Agree with The Villager. Until his appeal is heard his conviction still stands. This was a very serious offence. It could have been one blow away from a murder charge. He should not be back at the club until the appeal is heard. We have enough internal problems without creating more And yet he is out of jail...so presumably under the law he is once again innocent until proven otherwise Not so. It is not clear whether he is appealing his conviction or his sentence. Until his appeal is heard he remains convicted. The appeal, as far as I can see is based on a technicality and not new evidence. He should never be near the club until his appeal is heard. It may be that after his appeal his conviction is quashed but this still does not mean that he did not commit the offence. Even not guilty at the conviction stage does not mean innocence. It means that the Crown has failed to prove its case. |
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Post by river on Jul 25, 2015 14:32:47 GMT 1
Am I a high court judge? No
Am I a lawyer? No
Am I a newspaper reporter that only prints one side of the story? No
I am a Livi supporter that has sat in the stands while this lad has helped us win the petro cup and helped us avoid relegation. Let's let them who know,deal with the courts and we can support the team and give Gallagher a chance to help us on the pitch.
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Post by jonsnow on Jul 25, 2015 19:56:16 GMT 1
There were a few Clyde players today that deserved locked up more than Declan, bunch of thugs.
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Post by Auldnick on Jul 25, 2015 23:48:18 GMT 1
And yet he is out of jail...so presumably under the law he is once again innocent until proven otherwise Not so. It is not clear whether he is appealing his conviction or his sentence. Until his appeal is heard he remains convicted. The appeal, as far as I can see is based on a technicality and not new evidence. He should never be near the club until his appeal is heard. It may be that after his appeal his conviction is quashed but this still does not mean that he did not commit the offence. Even not guilty at the conviction stage does not mean innocence. It means that the Crown has failed to prove its case. Disagree on whether he should be near the club at this stage...I would point out though that while trial by a jury of your peers is the system we use it is not flawless, innocent men have been found guilty & guilty men have walked scot free & while Gallagher does not deny being involved in the incident (and has shown remorse for his involvement) he denies using the bat - the alleged used of which appears to have been the main reason for his sentence being what it was. Technicality or not, he is legally & legitimately free to continue his career until the appeal, on whatever grounds, is heard & decided. So whether you agree with it or not he has every right to try to get on with his life as he awaits the appeal hearing & decision. |
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Post by durnford on Jul 30, 2015 13:09:18 GMT 1
Strange timing but here you go:
Surely creates some real problems in the defence though; I was actually keen on seeing Neill play a bigger part.
Not sure though that the "The Club, however, is not in a position to make judgement." will please many; seems an odd choice of words given the circumstances.
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Post by italion on Jul 30, 2015 13:16:08 GMT 1
Strange timing but here you go: Surely creates some real problems in the defence though; I was actually keen on seeing Neill play a bigger part. Not sure though that the "The Club, however, is not in a position to make judgement." will please many; seems an odd choice of words given the circumstances. Wrong decision on so many levels. No wonder Energy Assets were so keen to have their name removed from anything to do with Livingston FC. They were even willing to pay up in full provided every trace of their name was removed instantly. |
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Post by monkeysocks on Jul 30, 2015 13:59:20 GMT 1
Just so wrong
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Post by jonsnow on Jul 30, 2015 14:13:40 GMT 1
DG & BG are two of the best centre backs in the Championship and we've got them, absolutely fantastic.
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Post by durnford on Jul 30, 2015 14:45:42 GMT 1
Hope we've come to some agreement with McDougall first though - either agreed repayment terms or conversion to shares.
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Post by italion on Jul 30, 2015 15:39:07 GMT 1
They have wasted no time in getting his individual photo on the squad list.
He has been given squad number 14.
I surprised they did not give him Craig Sives number 5.
I feel sorry for Craig and Morgyn Neill, both of whom have played well in pre-season games and one will be demoted to the bench and the other will not be in the squad.
Like other concerned supporters where is all this money coming from to have such a large squad??
McDougall is quite right to be concerned about his investment.
Another "Board" playing games behind the scene.
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Post by jonsnow on Jul 30, 2015 16:10:25 GMT 1
No room for sentiment in football if you want success, Gallagher and Gordon are the best 2 CB's, Sives got turned a few times against Clyde and was struggling for pace against them too, also nearly got sent off after fouling one of their players just outside the box.
By the looks of our injuries after playing Clyde last week we may need Sives, Gallagher or Neil to play in midfield this week, Cole, Glen and Hippo are all doubts, with Georgiev still waiting on international clearance and Currie out for 4-6 weeks. That leaves Pittman, Gibbons & Mullen as our only midfield players def fit.
Don't know anything about our other young players in the squad if they are any god in midfield, or if Faria will be signed before the game and has international clearance.
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Post by monkeysocks on Jul 30, 2015 16:52:19 GMT 1
Faria? Must have missed this somewhere. Who is this.?
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Post by misdemeanor on Jul 30, 2015 17:58:24 GMT 1
Staggering, total staggering.
Regardless of how good a player anyone is, such alleged violence to another human being is not acceptable to any football club, it has no place in football. To re-sign him with the most pathetic, hostile, uncharismatic, nonsensical club statement is nothing but a disgrace.
Apologies to Declan, but I will be making my voice heard on Saturday both in and out of the ground, this is not good for the club regardless of what some say on here, was he convicted, yes or no??? Was he sentenced yes or No??? If the answer is yes, who in the right mind as a sponsor wants to be linked to a "family club" ran by complete chaos of men in suits who have little or no interest or knowledge of running a football club that allow an alleged player who was alleged to have caused violence and suffering to others using allegedly some sort of bat.
If this is the biggest miscarriage of justice in Scotland`s history, then fine, open arms and I hope the millions awarded for this appeal to Declan some of it will go towards Livingston Football Club, because they stood by him.
I assume in the interim period all of Declan`s wages is going to a victim support charity???
PS JonSnow, I`d rather lose games than see an alleged convicted player play for this club, apologies but that is how angry I am at the club.
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Post by italion on Jul 30, 2015 18:06:05 GMT 1
Jonsnow
Where are you getting all the information on injuries??
Not in the public domain!!
It is all irrelevant anyway, he should still not be playing.
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Post by bobafett on Jul 30, 2015 20:20:31 GMT 1
Giving the guy access to training facilities pending his appeal is one thing, but re-signing him and having him play are quite another.
We aren't talking about drink driving or even a minor scuffle, but Assualt to Severe Injury.
Whilst he maitains his innocence, the fact of the matter is that he was there and even if he wasn't the one who swung the bat he did nothing to prevent anyone else from doing it either.
If this decision has indeed cost us our main sponsor it remains to be seen if it was all worth it
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Post by jonsnow on Jul 30, 2015 21:10:27 GMT 1
Jonsnow Where are you getting all the information on injuries?? Not in the public domain!! It is all irrelevant anyway, he should still not be playing. In this article I read about our forthcoming game against Clyde. www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/local-sport/livingston-boss-mark-burchill-aiming-6164922
I hope there is also plenty support for Declan, he's shown nothing but exemplary behaviour since signing for us and I prefer judging him on how I see him, not on what happened or perhaps didn't happen over a year ago. |
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Post by jonsnow on Jul 30, 2015 21:28:05 GMT 1
Giving the guy access to training facilities pending his appeal is one thing, but re-signing him and having him play are quite another. We aren't talking about drink driving or even a minor scuffle, but Assualt to Severe Injury. Whilst he maitains his innocence, the fact of the matter is that he was there and even if he wasn't the one who swung the bat he did nothing to prevent anyone else from doing it either. If this decision has indeed cost us our main sponsor it remains to be seen if it was all worth it I think the McDougall fiasco had more to do with it, but we've a season to get another sponsor with EA paying us up to 2016.
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Post by italion on Jul 30, 2015 23:18:45 GMT 1
Jonsnow Where are you getting all the information on injuries?? Not in the public domain!! It is all irrelevant anyway, he should still not be playing. In this article I read about our forthcoming game against Clyde. www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/local-sport/livingston-boss-mark-burchill-aiming-6164922
I hope there is also plenty support for Declan, he's shown nothing but exemplary behaviour since signing for us and I prefer judging him on how I see him, not on what happened or perhaps didn't happen over a year ago. Tell that to Steven Findlay who was left with a fractured skull and bleeding on the brain. |
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Post by Auldnick on Jul 31, 2015 0:05:52 GMT 1
And possibly a faulty memory about what actually happened?
Well done Livingston, the lad has been a model pro at the club despite the initial court case & I expect more of the same as he awaits his appeal.
Hopefully the Trust getting involved in trying to reach an amicable solution in the McDougall repayments debacle will help bring a swift resolution to that.
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Post by jonsnow on Jul 31, 2015 1:53:35 GMT 1
Findley doesn't know who hit him with a baseball bat, and to my knowledge there wasn't any witnesses to say which one of them did it either, Gallagher is strongly denying it was him but has admitted to throwing punches. Anyway as has already been said this was all known before we signed him last season and with the appeal still to be heard it puts us in much the same situation as last season.
What I do know for sure is since he's been at Livi there has been no reason to give him any flak over how he's behaved as a Livi player and that's all that concerns me. I support the team, he's a cracking player for us and isn't a thug on or off the pitch in his time at Livi.
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Post by italion on Jul 31, 2015 11:35:38 GMT 1
Findley doesn't know who hit him with a baseball bat, and to my knowledge there wasn't any witnesses to say which one of them did it either, Gallagher is strongly denying it was him but has admitted to throwing punches. Anyway as has already been said this was all known before we signed him last season and with the appeal still to be heard it puts us in much the same situation as last season. What I do know for sure is since he's been at Livi there has been no reason to give him any flak over how he's behaved as a Livi player and that's all that concerns me. I support the team, he's a cracking player for us and isn't a thug on or off the pitch in his time at Livi. He was there and he took part in a serious assault and he walked away from a man with a fractured skull!!I can't believe you are defending him.He has been convicted of the crime and until his appeal is heard he still remains convicted. That is what appeal means. If, as you seem to think, he is out because he is innocent then you are wrong.The Livingston Board are just making a fool of themselves and the fans and losing sponsorship on the way.I thought Mr Ford would know better than to go down this line but maybe it is the person or people who are pulling his strings that are making the decision. |
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Post by kirktonlion on Jul 31, 2015 11:42:21 GMT 1
DG is out on appeal so should be free to earn a living or should we take this right away from everyone who has been convicted of a crime and then released pending an appeal. Last season his performances on the field were solid and a credit to Livingston and off the field he never gave any cause for concern. Give the guy a break, whatever has happened he like anyone deserves a second chance. We have all done and said things we regret that includes DG does he not deserve another chance?.
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Post by livilion on Jul 31, 2015 12:04:04 GMT 1
Whilst he maitains his innocence, the fact of the matter is that he was there and even if he wasn't the one who swung the bat he did nothing to prevent anyone else from doing it either. He was there and he took part in a serious assault and he walked away from a man with a fractured skull!!I can't believe you are defending him. This was known when we signed him, were people booing him or "making their voice heard" about it through last season? Good signing for us, statement from the club was pretty bizarre though. |
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Post by jonsnow on Jul 31, 2015 12:24:25 GMT 1
I'm here to support the team, that's why I go to Livi games, the players get enough hate from other teams fans without our own ones giving them stick.
I understand some people may have a problem with the club signing him but I don't think being vocal towards one of our players during a game is the right way to go about protesting his signing. Why not do so officially, get a petition signed or hand in a letter to the club telling them how you feel, or just go into the reception and ask to speak to someone.
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