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Post by colcal on Nov 1, 2014 20:59:23 GMT 1
I was embarrassed and irritated, in equal measure, by the attitude of some of these guys today at Annan. Are they actually Livi fans or just a bunch of boys who like to bang a drum and chant silly songs? Some of their contribution was helpful, particularly early on, but much of it was negative and idiotic. Many 'songs' targeted our own players, the manager or the team. Even when the announcer was reading out the sides before kick off, a few of these 'supporters' booed the names of some of the Livi team. Seems an odd way to show your support.
So, DBM, if you're going to travel to games, by all means have a drink and sing songs. But let's keep the chants positive and supportive at a time when the guys on the pitch need all the help they can get.
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Post by livijimbo on Nov 2, 2014 9:39:32 GMT 1
Here here!
They seemed to have a go at one of here own supporters as well. I was down the far end of the stand. Some of the filth that was being sung Livi FC could do without.
Someone should have a quiet word with them. They just seem to want to cause trouble wherever they go?
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Post by basil on Nov 2, 2014 12:33:42 GMT 1
Here here! They seemed to have a go at one of here own supporters as well. I was down the far end of the stand. Some of the filth that was being sung Livi FC could do without. Someone should have a quiet word with them. They just seem to want to cause trouble wherever they go? They were acting like complete twats yesterday; as for the singing a jumping in Annan's social club - they were an embarrassment. We were invited in as guests and guests should know how to receive. If you can't hold your drink then don't drink - simple. A couple of them (one with a really bad case of acne) tried to noise me out having assumed I was an Annan supporter; fortunately for them I had to make my lift home. Complete morons. |
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Post by Mr Angry on Nov 2, 2014 13:09:19 GMT 1
The characters are a total embarrassment to the club. As mentioned already their behaviour in the Annan social club before the game was cringewrthy. There is a couple old folk with them and they are just as bad getting drunk and encouraging the stupider ones to act up for laughs.
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Post by livimoaner on Nov 2, 2014 13:34:18 GMT 1
In any other walk of life or profission a middle aged man 8th the middle of group of young people would require disclosure checks or attract attention of the law and parents of the young people attracted to it...But it seems no one has noticed at the club.
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Post by Mr Angry on Nov 2, 2014 14:28:19 GMT 1
In any other walk of life or profission a middle aged man 8th the middle of group of young people would require disclosure checks or attract attention of the law and parents of the young people attracted to it...But it seems no one has noticed at the club. It's like there is a Pied Piper thing going on with them. Reliving their youth through the stupid and probably drunken actions of the younger ones. |
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Post by livimoaner on Nov 2, 2014 14:33:47 GMT 1
In any other walk of life or profission a middle aged man 8th the middle of group of young people would require disclosure checks or attract attention of the law and parents of the young people attracted to it...But it seems no one has noticed at the club. It's like there is a Pied Piper thing going on with them. Reliving their youth through the stupid and probably drunken actions of the younger ones. I would be troubled as a parent if I knew how my child associated, behaved and was being lead by a middle aged adult without background checks a day in particular if drinking was involved. but maybe the parents do know but just don't care..... No child of mine would be among them. |
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Post by drwho on Nov 2, 2014 15:22:46 GMT 1
I saw one of them drinking he was no older than15 years of age. Surely LFC have a responsibility here? Who is the ring leader of this group?
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Post by livimoaner on Nov 2, 2014 20:34:22 GMT 1
It is illegal to drink on the bus.
It is illegal to supply drink to a minor in a pub or club or from off licence sales.
The law is being broken here.
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Post by es on Nov 2, 2014 20:58:52 GMT 1
Get a grip. Surely you cant be that bothered?
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Post by livimoaner on Nov 3, 2014 15:53:02 GMT 1
Get a grip. Surely you cant be that bothered? It is obvious that a significant number of parents are not, to allow their children to go so long without direct supervision. For us of an older generation, that is not acceptable parenting or an acceptable behaviour at a game. Having fun can be done without being disrespectful of others and without illegal drinking. |
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Post by livimoaner on Nov 3, 2014 15:55:31 GMT 1
And its people inability to get a grip of their own actions that created this post. If they tempered their actions then none would have noticed and none would have commented.
As was said of old "manners make a man" not his inability to hold beer.....
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Post by livi94 on Nov 3, 2014 20:17:00 GMT 1
Get a grip. Surely you cant be that bothered? It is obvious that a significant number of parents are not, to allow their children to go so long without direct supervision. For us of an older generation, that is not acceptable parenting or an acceptable behaviour at a game. Having fun can be done without being disrespectful of others and without illegal drinking. You must have been a wild party animal when you were younger. The fact you care so much is pathetic if you supported a big club rangers,celtic,hibs god knows how you would cope with all the illegal drinking. Perhaps you should pick a sport where the fans all behave like sheep and are not allowed to enjoy themselves, something to think about. |
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Post by livimoaner on Nov 3, 2014 21:09:29 GMT 1
It is only football...no sorry Scottish football where supporters cannot mix drinking with spectating.
So I will challenge you who uphold poor behaviour to state the positives it brings to the club. More I ask why I ask why do you feel the need to associate in such fashion, what is missing in your everyday life that you have to perform and act in a differing persona to your norm.
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Post by livimoaner on Nov 3, 2014 21:14:34 GMT 1
It is obvious that a significant number of parents are not, to allow their children to go so long without direct supervision. For us of an older generation, that is not acceptable parenting or an acceptable behaviour at a game. Having fun can be done without being disrespectful of others and without illegal drinking. You must have been a wild party animal when you were younger. The fact you care so much is pathetic if you supported a big club rangers,celtic,hibs god knows how you would cope with all the illegal drinking. Perhaps you should pick a sport where the fans all behave like sheep and are not allowed to enjoy themselves, something to think about. The reason I do not support the mentioned clubs is for the very reason you state, that the football, the respect of the game and of the team is absenot from the majority. I like many enjoy football for what it is not as a supplement to fill missing parts of my life either social or emotional. There is nothing wrong with just enjoying the gamend but much wrong with preventing that enjoyment by unwarranted actions. |
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Post by livifc on Nov 3, 2014 22:06:24 GMT 1
I think that you should support your local Sunday league team if you want people not have a drink and enjoy themselves at football games.
The group are just trying to support their local team and have a good laugh and create good atmosphere at games, what gives any of you the right to say they "are an embarrassment to the club"?
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Post by livijimbo on Nov 3, 2014 22:37:46 GMT 1
I think that you should support your local Sunday league team if you want people not have a drink and enjoy themselves at football games. The group are just trying to support their local team and have a good laugh and create good atmosphere at games, what gives any of you the right to say they "are an embarrassment to the club"? Yer havin a laugh pal aren't you? this mob go with the intent of causing bother. Generally drink far to much then look to see who they can fight with or bully. On Saturday I heard then shouting obscenities at a fellow Livi fan. |
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Post by livi94 on Nov 4, 2014 0:22:35 GMT 1
You must have been a wild party animal when you were younger. The fact you care so much is pathetic if you supported a big club rangers,celtic,hibs god knows how you would cope with all the illegal drinking. Perhaps you should pick a sport where the fans all behave like sheep and are not allowed to enjoy themselves, something to think about. The reason I do not support the mentioned clubs is for the very reason you state, that the football, the respect of the game and of the team is absenot from the majority. I like many enjoy football for what it is not as a supplement to fill missing parts of my life either social or emotional. There is nothing wrong with just enjoying the gamend but much wrong with preventing that enjoyment by unwarranted actions. You sound like a person you could have a good laugh with. What do you consider 'unwarranted actions' singing? Drinking? |
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Post by livifc on Nov 4, 2014 8:33:57 GMT 1
I think that you should support your local Sunday league team if you want people not have a drink and enjoy themselves at football games. The group are just trying to support their local team and have a good laugh and create good atmosphere at games, what gives any of you the right to say they "are an embarrassment to the club"? Yer havin a laugh pal aren't you? this mob go with the intent of causing bother. Generally drink far to much then look to see who they can fight with or bully. On Saturday I heard then shouting obscenities at a fellow Livi fan. Since when have they EVER set out to 'cause bother'? I can say as a fact they have never done so. And I'm pretty sure on Saturday that LIVI fan that you are talking about started with all the gestures to them so what are they meant to do? Stand and take it? |
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Post by basil on Nov 4, 2014 9:55:02 GMT 1
Yer havin a laugh pal aren't you? this mob go with the intent of causing bother. Generally drink far to much then look to see who they can fight with or bully. On Saturday I heard then shouting obscenities at a fellow Livi fan. Since when have they EVER set out to 'cause bother'? I can say as a fact they have never done so. And I'm pretty sure on Saturday that LIVI fan that you are talking about started with all the gestures to them so what are they meant to do? Stand and take it? Shouting abuse and throwing a bottle at Stranraer fans and trying to challenge some of the senior citizens and kids to a square go plus numerous other recorded incidents? Also we were guests in the Annan social club on Saturday - jumping up and down shouting at to the top of your voice; knocking over glasses; banging an annoying drum and acting like complete d*cks can surely guarantee that we wont be invited back. Also for the zit faced prat that tried to noise me up having obviously assumed I was an Annan supporter when all I was doing was sitting having a pint; please try that at the vale when I don't have my son with me or have to make the lift home. Saying these guys are not part of the DBM when they all stand together and travel in the same bus doesn't really wash. I'm not saying that the boys shouldn't enjoy themselves; make as much noise as you like in the stand; have a drink if you want but that's not excuse for acting like a complete tosser. |
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Post by livimoaner on Nov 4, 2014 13:13:49 GMT 1
The reason I do not support the mentioned clubs is for the very reason you state, that the football, the respect of the game and of the team is absenot from the majority. I like many enjoy football for what it is not as a supplement to fill missing parts of my life either social or emotional. There is nothing wrong with just enjoying the gamend but much wrong with preventing that enjoyment by unwarranted actions. You sound like a person you could have a good laugh with. What do you consider 'unwarranted actions' singing? Drinking? I love communal signing but hate obsenity I love a drink but hate drunks and anti social behaviour I love having fun but hate those who think fun is victimising others. When younger, as many others, we were taught religion and morales. One lesson was do unto others as you would like done unto you. So I treat people with respect, I open doors for women and give those that are older my seat on a bus. This does not make me boring if it does make me different. Many young use the word boring to force others to do things that normally they would not do, "Go on take a drink you boring....." being an example. If that is the definition of being boring then that is me as I will not force another to take a drink to do things against their better judgement or goad them into illegal actions. Smoke bombs and flares would be covered in that selection, it is a criminal offence, has been proven to cause harm to others, may have consequences for our club, so I would not use them, facilitate others using them and would hate those that do. That said I can heckle as effectively as anyone else, just I will use humour to make my point not foul language. Its my way. Its harms no one else. It causes no harm to the club and others can copy me without incurring the wrath of others or the law. |
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Post by livimoaner on Nov 4, 2014 13:25:02 GMT 1
I think that you should support your local Sunday league team if you want people not have a drink and enjoy themselves at football games. The group are just trying to support their local team and have a good laugh and create good atmosphere at games, what gives any of you the right to say they "are an embarrassment to the club"? No one said that people cannot have a drink and enjoy themselves. The issue is with time, place and legality. Under age people should not be drinking, it is illegal. It is illegal for adults to supply them with drink. Drinking to the point that you are in breach of the law and or become an issue for the club is wrong. A bit of decorum never harmed anyone. Signing is positive, chanting obscenities is illegal and is actually defeating the purpose. If they sang songs that were devoid of such language more people would join in and the atmosphere will increase. Chanting the same thing repeatedly is also an indication of either a small mind or a troubled one, its akin to the polar bears one see at zoos that constantly walk along the same route. So why instead of the misguided drinking illegally, don't those people use their time creatively and invent new songs and chants and routines that are more inclusive of the rest of the support. |
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Post by Gregory's Girl on Nov 4, 2014 13:41:32 GMT 1
I'm tired of all the DBM noise and bother now. I wish they'd all just grow up.
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Post by livilion on Nov 4, 2014 15:30:04 GMT 1
I wasn't there on Saturday so can't comment on any of that, but when they're supporting the team I don't think they're doing any wrong. When they shout abuse at players is one of the things that people criticise them for, but that's not just the DBM and is most of the Livi support. And the one's who go out to 'cause bother' after home games (walking around to the away support getting in people's faces) are usually the one's who haven't hit puberty and a few 18/19 year olds who have watched a bit too much Green Street. I'm pretty sure the older guys just head to the pub after matches.
I do wish they'd stop singing about f**king Dundee though, cringeworthy stuff singing about a team you're not even playing and treating them like your bitter rivals when they don't give a flying f**k about us.
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Post by misdemeanor on Nov 4, 2014 17:37:59 GMT 1
Simple DBM are growing in numbers from all walks of life. On Saturday there were a few of the older crowd swelling the ranks.
The DBM will not go away soon, so we either live with it or we dont.
If we live with it then a certain amount of decorum by the club has to be intervened, if we dont want to live with the DBM we simply boycott the stadium until they are out!
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