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Post by bazzaboy on Nov 4, 2014 21:53:18 GMT 1
The dbm where no out of order in the pub right they where singing banging a drum so what I do agree once in the stadium the abuse towards the manager and players we can do without these boys create a good atmosphere at the small amount of away games they take in we as livingston fans do not carry many of a away support but totally agree with most of the posts here they need to take a look at how thry conduct themselves and font drag the club down
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Post by bazzaboy on Nov 4, 2014 22:02:42 GMT 1
Dont drag the club down
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Post by livi94 on Nov 5, 2014 12:10:53 GMT 1
I think that you should support your local Sunday league team if you want people not have a drink and enjoy themselves at football games. The group are just trying to support their local team and have a good laugh and create good atmosphere at games, what gives any of you the right to say they "are an embarrassment to the club"? No one said that people cannot have a drink and enjoy themselves. The issue is with time, place and legality. Under age people should not be drinking, it is illegal. adults to supply them with drink. Drinking to the point that you are in breach of the law and or become an issue for the club is wrong. A bit of decorum never harmed anyone. Signing is positive, chanting obscenities is illegal and is actually defeating the purpose. If they sang songs that were devoid of such language more people would join in and the atmosphere will increase. Chanting the same thing repeatedly is also an indication of either a small mind or a troubled one, its akin to the polar bears one see at zoos that constantly walk along the same route. So why instead of the misguided drinking illegally, don't those people use their time creatively and invent new songs and chants and routines that are more inclusive of the rest of the support. Underage drinking doesnt affect you in any way also are you really that naive/stupid to think that probably half the people in the forum never mind anyone else didnt start drinking before they were 18. If you are that concerned phone the police do something about it, also chanting obscenities have yiu ever been to a football game before. Half the livi support do that anyway so what are you going to tell each individual off. Dont even act like you or most of the livi support would join in for songs as 1 that would mean having to actually stsnd up and 2 for as long as i have been going the normal livi fans have never even attempted to sing. That is just an excuse so you can justify to people as the reason as why you sit down and create zero atmosphere. |
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Post by bazzaboy on Nov 5, 2014 21:51:48 GMT 1
This matter has been totally blown out of proportion the dbm create a great atmosphere at these games home and away the boys had a good drink in them on the bus so f**kin what that is what its all about they had a good sing song banged their drums in the social club they where not told to leave the club so they aint causeing problems to anyone under age drinking happens you trying to say that other fans of clubs are not any diffrent the dbm had a good day and I enjoyed them being their I was not happy with them booing certain players shouting abuse at the manager but they aint the only ones that are at it giving stick to certain players and the manager
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Post by livimoaner on Nov 6, 2014 15:51:31 GMT 1
I wasn't there on Saturday so can't comment on any of that, but when they're supporting the team I don't think they're doing any wrong. When they shout abuse at players is one of the things that people criticise them for, but that's not just the DBM and is most of the Livi support. And the one's who go out to 'cause bother' after home games (walking around to the away support getting in people's faces) are usually the one's who haven't hit puberty and a few 18/19 year olds who have watched a bit too much Green Street. I'm pretty sure the older guys just head to the pub after matches. I do wish they'd stop singing about f*cking Dundee though, cringeworthy stuff singing about a team you're not even playing and treating them like your bitter rivals when they don't give a flying f*ck about us. I agree with your point about the repetition of the Dundee abuse. fraud would have a field day with that. It is like the kids in the back of the car, are we there yet........... If they found new and imaginative ways of deriding Dundee that did not involve obscenity, it would be appreciated. |
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Post by colcal on Nov 6, 2014 16:49:18 GMT 1
I started this thread just to gripe about some of the negative singing and embarrassing behaviour towards our own players. I certainly have no problem with Livi fans singing - quite the reverse because the DBM make away games atmospheric! I just dint like the negativity.
Let's support the team, come what may! Sing positive songs.
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Post by lividihard on Nov 6, 2014 17:50:48 GMT 1
livimoaner has some explaining to do about his comments I feel He has targeted a certain individual and made comments towards this person in a very negative light!!!! The comments are very nasty, hateful and very damaging and people wonder why there are fractions within the livi support, this individual (sorry keyboard warrior) is one of those reasons!
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Post by livijimbo on Nov 6, 2014 18:40:42 GMT 1
He has targeted a certain individual Who has he/she targeted? |
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Post by bazzaboy on Nov 6, 2014 20:40:36 GMT 1
Well colcal u have certainly had a lot of posts with livingston fans commenting on your post totally agree with whst u are saying most chants and booing of players was drink no excuse but we are all frustrated just now with the team and performances losing to a 3rd tear team was embarressing it was looking so comfortable at the start the dbm do create a great atmosphere at games but they need to stop getting on the players back for most of that game at least the whole of the second half was just abuse to certain players and manager we dont need that at all it aint helping the situation we are in just now lets hope we can turn the corner 3 massive games ahead alloa dumbarton cowdenbeath
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Post by livimoaner on Nov 7, 2014 13:55:41 GMT 1
Well colcal u have certainly had a lot of posts with livingston fans commenting on your post totally agree with whst u are saying most chants and booing of players was drink no excuse but we are all frustrated just now with the team and performances losing to a 3rd tear team was embarressing it was looking so comfortable at the start the dbm do create a great atmosphere at games but they need to stop getting on the players back for most of that game at least the whole of the second half was just abuse to certain players and manager we dont need that at all it aint helping the situation we are in just now lets hope we can turn the corner 3 massive games ahead alloa dumbarton cowdenbeath Sometimes it is difficult to express your feelings when as frustrated as you say. It takes a deal of self control to hold your tongue long enough to not embarrass the with and kids with an uncontrolled outburst. I think that we are all understanding enough to realise that there will be the occasional slippage. Reading about behaviour conditioning, positive reinforcement is always meant to be more effective. and as you say HAVING A GO AT PLAYERS does not work, IT ACTUALLY LEADS TO WORSE PERFORMANCE. I mind once a support that when their team was four down started signing that they were going to win 5-4. As comedy timing goes their team actually scored.Next instead just the small portion that did sign the whole support started signing along. Coincidence yes but luck and imagination resulted in a totally committed fan group. |
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Post by livimoaner on Nov 7, 2014 14:16:09 GMT 1
livimoaner has some explaining to do about his comments I feel He has targeted a certain individual and made comments towards this person in a very negative light!!!! The comments are very nasty, hateful and very damaging and people wonder why there are fractions within the livi support, this individual (sorry keyboard warrior) is one of those reasons! To aid your understanding: "I would be troubled as a parent if I knew how my child associated, behaved and was being lead by a middle aged adult without background checks a day in particular if drinking was involved. but maybe the parents do know but just don't care..... No child of mine would be among them." This in no way way accuses any one of anything. It is a clear statement of what my thoughts and fears would be as a parent. The standard practice in child protection be it schools football coaching or say the scouts is for adults that are associating with young people, especially when acting as a figure of authority, is for those adults to be back ground checked. If those adults that lead the DBM have had these checks done for their participation with the football club/ DBM then I apologise. If the young in that group is drinking, (illegally), are in breach of the ground entry regulations or the expected code of conduct when invited into a private club, who is to blame? If it cannot be controlled, is it through consent, indifference or other reason? I would not put myself in that position and if I was I would exert leadership on the group to ensure such things did not happen. |
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Post by lividihard on Nov 7, 2014 15:35:12 GMT 1
Nope sorry I dont agree with you livimoaner
Anyone travelling to a game does so at their own peril, yes they may travel on a supporters coach but the person running that coach is not responsible for the actions of anyone or in any form a leader
I think you should step down of the soap box and worry about more pressing matters
The more pressing matters being how piss poor the team are right now and getting behind the team and supporting them rather than worrying about things that have nothing to do with you personally.
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Post by Bougie on Nov 8, 2014 14:55:23 GMT 1
The chats were directed at me and it's water off my back especially from that lot!!
What got up my back is that Everytime we play bad or that the players got total dogs abuse and it was disgusting on Saturday the abuse Everytime livi player took a throwin. DO IT AFTER THE GAME NOT DURING IT. But hey they know where I sit come chat!!
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Post by livimoaner on Nov 13, 2014 11:52:00 GMT 1
This matter has been totally blown out of proportion the dbm create a great atmosphere at these games home and away the boys had a good drink in them on the bus so f*ckin what that is what its all about they had a good sing song banged their drums in the social club they where not told to leave the club so they aint causeing problems to anyone under age drinking happens you trying to say that other fans of clubs are not any diffrent the dbm had a good day and I enjoyed them being their I was not happy with them booing certain players shouting abuse at the manager but they aint the only ones that are at it giving stick to certain players and the manager "They were not told to leave so were not causing problems" Wow is that how the law works? Because the wee lassie behind the bar is not brave enough to ask people to leave those people are not harming anyone? "Under age drinking happens" Agreed, but it is not right and because the people you associated with may do it or have done it does not make it normal for the rest of us. A young person having a drink with a meal under the supervision of their parent is the typical introduction you may be referring to but that is totally different to what you may accept as normal, uncontrolled unmonitored drinking. The harm caused by people "enjoying themselves" is one you dont not recognise as you do not pay the cost of it. The club does. Our club pays. Take our home stand, that could be stewarded by just three to five people, if people refrained from "Doing no harm" But as people cannot obey the rules, we have to pay for additional stewards to carry out the policing duties. So people standing, shouting obscenities, threatening others, attending drunk does have harm, it harms the bank balance of our club and increases cost for all those who attend. That cost is a waste we do not need, but hey as long as it is "normal" who cares. |
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Post by livimoaner on Nov 13, 2014 11:59:07 GMT 1
Nope sorry I dont agree with you livimoaner Anyone travelling to a game does so at their own peril, yes they may travel on a supporters coach but the person running that coach is not responsible for the actions of anyone or in any form a leader I think you should step down of the soap box and worry about more pressing matters The more pressing matters being how piss poor the team are right now and getting behind the team and supporting them rather than worrying about things that have nothing to do with you personally. The performance of the players is a pressing concern. Can that performance be improved by people shouting abuse at them? No. All evidence shows that positive reinforcement is far more effective at creating behavioural change than negative reinforcement. So the behaviours of some of the support has a direct affect on our players and therefore is of everyone's concern. I ask will those people shout the same abuse sober? or if not separated from those they are abusing? They will claim they would but we all know that people behave differently with drink....that is why they drink..My point is as they are drinking they do not stop to think of the harm it does to the team. |
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Post by livimoaner on Nov 13, 2014 12:00:51 GMT 1
I started this thread just to gripe about some of the negative singing and embarrassing behaviour towards our own players. I certainly have no problem with Livi fans singing - quite the reverse because the DBM make away games atmospheric! I just dint like the negativity. Let's support the team, come what may! Sing positive songs. Could not agree more. Positive support for the players. More of our fans can join in. It wins both ways. |
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Post by bazzaboy on Nov 17, 2014 21:21:58 GMT 1
Livimoaner the name deffo fits you seem a bit of a worried person to me concentrate on the football side stop being a big girl football is about enjoying few beers singing not abuse at the team let the dbm do their thing you sound like someone who should be in front of tv on a saturday afternoon thank fook we dont have to back to annan hopefully no again stick to the colas dbm dont enjoy yourselves
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Post by livimoaner on Nov 18, 2014 13:48:15 GMT 1
bazzaboy: I would agree with you, I would argue with you, but your grammar has destroyed the point you were trying to make.
I hope that what you were trying to say is that football is inclusive, it welcomes those who enjoy a drink and those who don't, it welcomes those that like to sign and those that don't.
It welcomes the straight, the BLGT community, the black and the white, even despite our pies the fat....and the skinny.
So I am in full agreement with those that promote and respect such inclusiveness...and equally against those who don't support the message of the football family at large.
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