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Post by liviman on Dec 16, 2014 12:16:37 GMT 1
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Post by fandango on Dec 16, 2014 13:30:12 GMT 1
Had to happen unfortunately. Feel a bit sorry for John given all the distractions but we were going no where on the park. Typical OS, no mention of it. Once again shocking PR from the club.
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Post by livimoaner on Dec 16, 2014 13:37:24 GMT 1
Thanks for posting the link.
Burchill has been working with John.
He will have seen how John prepares for games, collates information during it and been involved in analysing the games performances and statistics.
My point is two fold,I will ask the question first was Mark happy with the organisation?
If Mark was not happy with the process, why did he remain as assistant? if he was not happy did he "move" behind John's back?
If he was happy, what will he bring to the table? his thought processes, his critical analysis of information will proceed down the same path, ie he will do the same things.
So to my point: If he worked behind Johns back will the players not know this and some form of distrust be established. If he supported John, where will the improvement come from?
We need transformational change, we are so misaligned to the results and position we need to have that doing the same thing better will not save us. We do to do things differently from the other teams to have any chance of catching up.
Sorry Mark but unless you have suffered a Demascus moment, you will not save Livingston from relegation and the slow death of another administration. Yes we will see an instant improvement of about 5 games as players try to impress the new manager and avoid being offloaded in January, but then those performances will collapse and we will be worse than under John. Unless mark gathers 15 points in these 5 games, we are doomed.
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Post by livimoaner on Dec 16, 2014 13:54:47 GMT 1
Part of Johns issue was fear.
he was feared of doing things different.
He was comfortable doing the same things he had done with other clubs, how they prepared, how and when they trained, how they analysed information.
He was for example Feared to stand up in the stand where he could get a better view of the game as fans may not understand why he was there.
He was feared to challenge players (1st team) about their performance individually (as many of us do via performance appraisal meetings) and was feared to change training times and methods.
He would do more of the same, he hoped that doing more of what others do would make his side better.
Resources wise we lacked an out and out goal scorer (If he did not have one why not try one of the youth team?) and probably did not try our youth team for fear of the reactions from fans.
If MARK IS DO BETTER the fear needs to go, he has to be be brave enough to do things differently.
As a support, if we see these different things we need to be brave enough to support them. If we see the manager standing at the back, leave him be, if we see our players warming up differently to other sides and different to how they did it before, we need to be brave enough not to comment. If we see players trying to shoot or make passes, we need to be brave enough to support them with positive statements.
Now is the time for everyone to be brave and bold. Doing the same things will only see us relegated.
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Post by colcal on Dec 16, 2014 21:02:38 GMT 1
I think that John has done the honourable thing here and acted impeccably. This is an amicable way for him to leave, with each party acknowledging the effort and commitment given in trying to make a success of the job.
Unlike other managers, John has acted with dignity and integrity throughout. Whilst it's clear that the timing of his departure is awful for him personally, but ideal for the club, I'd like to thank him for his efforts and wish him every success in whatever role he adopts in future.
In the meantime, congratulations to Mark. It's a great chance for him to show the players and the fans why his appointment to the role, permanently, should be seriously considered. He'd jump the queue if we got anything from the next two games - away to Rangers and home to Hearts.
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Post by bazzaboy on Dec 16, 2014 22:15:02 GMT 1
Mcglyn has done the right thing its a results business at the end of the day and it just was not happening for him now burchill has the chance to turn things around same squad yes but he might just get more out these players what a opportunity for him not be easy rangers then hearts coming up but we are not even half way through the season yet thats why mcglynn done the right thing he has gave the new boss a chance to catch up with the teams above us good luck to john wherever he may end up
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Post by Pedro on Dec 17, 2014 1:18:49 GMT 1
I think that this was the correct thing to do too.
No-one is suggesting that there was a lack of effort or commitment on McGlyyns part, but results have been poor and the board not changing anything was not really an option.
Good luck to Mark Burchill. I think he's going to need all he can get!
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Post by livimoaner on Dec 17, 2014 12:58:18 GMT 1
I think that John has done the honourable thing here and acted impeccably. This is an amicable way for him to leave, with each party acknowledging the effort and commitment given in trying to make a success of the job. Unlike other managers, John has acted with dignity and integrity throughout. Whilst it's clear that the timing of his departure is awful for him personally, but ideal for the club, I'd like to thank him for his efforts and wish him every success in whatever role he adopts in future. In the meantime, congratulations to Mark. It's a great chance for him to show the players and the fans why his appointment to the role, permanently, should be seriously considered. He'd jump the queue if we got anything from the next two games - away to Rangers and home to Hearts. agreed |
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Post by livimoaner on Dec 17, 2014 13:12:13 GMT 1
If mark is to improve the results, he will need support. The board will need to coach and mentor him in the position. This is not a question of football, this is now a question of how he can gain better performances from the same players that hold the same skill sets. The danger is that he will choose actions and create learning experiences for his players from modes he has witnessed with out the knowledge of how they were deemed necessary or being able to analysis how successful they have been in producing the behavioural changes required.
It is akin to a teacher replicating lessons they experienced as a student, there is a chance that it may work but without the professional learning to understand the whys and wherefores he will not understand how to or when to change that lesson because he does not recognise it is failing.
To get the best out of Mark the board will need to support him as any new promoted post in any business.
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Post by livimoaner on Dec 18, 2014 9:53:41 GMT 1
With rangers in disarray and our players trying to impress a new manager Saturday could be our best chance of gaining a result at Ibrox.
Hope lives eternal
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Post by fandango on Dec 18, 2014 11:21:45 GMT 1
With rangers in disarray and our players trying to impress a new manager Saturday could be our best chance of gaining a result at Ibrox. Hope lives eternal If only we could be certain that we wouldn't gift a goal or miss a golden opportunity up front I would agree with you. However I cannot see it. |
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Post by livimoaner on Dec 19, 2014 12:46:42 GMT 1
With rangers in disarray and our players trying to impress a new manager Saturday could be our best chance of gaining a result at Ibrox. Hope lives eternal If only we could be certain that we wouldn't gift a goal or miss a golden opportunity up front I would agree with you. However I cannot see it. But without hope ...whats left? get the players warmed up early, concentrate on movement and passing, the goals ours for the taking. rangers tend to get stronger as a game goes on, must get the job done before minute 70. |
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Post by howmanytimes on Dec 21, 2014 20:20:03 GMT 1
He had to go. Results were poor under McGlynn
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