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Post by LiviLion21 on Jun 2, 2014 14:27:48 GMT 1
Jimmy Scott has been announced as the latest ex-Livi player to sign for Raith Rovers. www.raithrovers.net/14851/another-new-face-for-201415.htmI think that's 7 there now - Thomson, Booth, Watson, Fox, Elliot, Barr & Scott. Gordon Smith just left them otherwise that would have been 8. I remember there was a time when there was a similairly high number of former Livi players playing for Ross County too. I was surprised that we let Scott go in all honesty but guess it could all boil down to finances. Good luck to him though - well, except when they play us of course. Unlikely to ever forget THAT goal he scored this season! |
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Post by Auldnick on Jun 3, 2014 22:23:32 GMT 1
Financial cutting of cloth can have an adverse effect on the amount of prize money won at the end of a season. Imagine we had kept Andreu & Russell & they performed for us like they did for their new clubs. Imagine the extra points we would have won & the higher league placing we would have achieved...and the extra prize money we would have received for that higher league placing. It would have paid their wages & more.
Of course there are no guarantees, so maybe if they had stayed we wouldn't have been any better off in the league & had paid out more money in wages than we could afford but those are the risks you have to take.
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Post by LiviLion21 on Jun 4, 2014 8:46:30 GMT 1
I'd have thought that by now, Livi fans wouldn't want the club to be spending money they don't have? Have we STILL not learned that lesson?
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Post by Papa Shango on Jun 4, 2014 10:21:24 GMT 1
There is always a chance that we offered him a new deal or reduced terms and he rejected it hence being released? Or he may have just fancied trying his luck elsewhere - McGlynn maybe didn't have much of an option if that was the case.
I'm not too upset to see him leave. He had a good game here or there but think he lacked consistency and (famous last words), I'll not be too scared to come up against him when he's playing for Raith.
Good luck Jimmy.
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Post by Auldnick on Jun 4, 2014 18:09:44 GMT 1
I'd have thought that by now, Livi fans wouldn't want the club to be spending money they don't have? Have we STILL not learned that lesson? I would have thought we would want the club to earn as much as they can, in which case you have to do a Cost-Benefit Analysis; every time the club gives the player a contract they are planning to spend what they don't yet have but anticipate they will have by way of the revenue streams that are in place & the potential "prize money" given out to each club at the end of the season. So you sit down & estimate where you think the club will finish in the league, you estimate your season ticket & PATG income & any other revenue streams & you work out what sort of team you can afford; which will also be affected by the players already under contract. If you are going to give out contracts only based on how much money you already have in the bank available to spend you will have a pretty poor quality team. |
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Post by LiviLion21 on Jun 5, 2014 15:39:28 GMT 1
I know the point you're trying to make but what if Andreu and Russell had picked up injuries or performed poorly last season and we'd still finished where we did? Not only then would you havbe paid more than you could afford, you'd be bringing in less than you tried to predict you'd receive in prize money? It's the same as planning your budget based around a potential good cup run - I just don't think it's feasible.
I'd rather we put out a team we could afford, regardless of whether it's a poor one or not and we still had a club than pay money we didn't have and go down the route of going out of administration yet again.
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Post by Auldnick on Jun 5, 2014 18:12:28 GMT 1
I know the point you're trying to make but what if Andreu and Russell had picked up injuries or performed poorly last season and we'd still finished where we did? Not only then would you havbe paid more than you could afford, you'd be bringing in less than you tried to predict you'd receive in prize money? It's the same as planning your budget based around a potential good cup run - I just don't think it's feasible. I'd rather we put out a team we could afford, regardless of whether it's a poor one or not and we still had a club than pay money we didn't have and go down the route of going out of administration yet again. I did cover that point in my post admittedly ending with "those are the risks you have to take" .... maybe that sentence should have been "those are the decisions you have to make & it depends on how much of a risk you are prepared to take" But while you say you understand my point you still say you'd "rather not pay money we didn't have" but the club IS paying money it doesn't have, it has contracted with a number of players & will have to pay their wage but aside from the season ticket money coming in (bought mine today BTW) it currently has no other obvious revenue streams (I suppose Sky might pay for the use of the car park, if they still use it, but there weren't that many cars there today). So the contracts are being funded by the anticipated income over the season ahead (i.e. money we don't have). And just so we're not hijacking the Martin Scott to Raith topic....good luck to him, except when they play us. |
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Post by fourfourtwo on Jun 10, 2014 10:44:44 GMT 1
No great loss. Much rather have a youth player come through and develop than waste money on scott's average performances.
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Post by LiviLion21 on Jun 10, 2014 13:02:11 GMT 1
But while you say you understand my point you still say you'd "rather not pay money we didn't have" but the club IS paying money it doesn't have, it has contracted with a number of players & will have to pay their wage but aside from the season ticket money coming in (bought mine today BTW) it currently has no other obvious revenue streams (I suppose Sky might pay for the use of the car park, if they still use it, but there weren't that many cars there today). So the contracts are being funded by the anticipated income over the season ahead (i.e. money we don't have). This season, as far as I'm concerned, will be about us avoiding relegation. I honestly don't see the point in spending big money trying to compete with Hearts, Hibs and The Rangers when it's a certainty that they'll have much, much bigger budgets than we do and resultantly be able to afford a better quality of player. You said in your first post that paying extra money for a better player in the hope of getting more prize money is 'a risk you have to take' - I think this season, that would be an extremely poor risk to take. |
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Post by Auldnick on Jun 11, 2014 23:40:24 GMT 1
I also modified that statement in my earlier reply having decided that the modification better described my thinking. IMO we have been playing to avoid relegation every season since we got back in this division & every time we end a season we downscale the quality of the side.
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