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Post by andylion on Nov 27, 2013 15:01:59 GMT 1
I got a copy of the "Yes" (to independence) campaign newspaper through my letterbox recently. I was disappointed to see an article on the back page as follows:-
"Livingston supporters' spokesman Alasdair MacNeill said: "Football is a common language, we all support the national team so it's only natural to back Scotland off the park when it matters."
Supporters of several other clubs - Hibs, Hearts, Rangers and Raith Rovers are cited as being in favour of the Yes vote.
As a Livi supporter, I certainly haven't been asked for my views and I don't think I should be.
I understand Mr MacNeill does a sterling job for the club on the website, but in my view neither the Club nor the supporters' groups should be entering into this debate, or purporting to speak on my behalf.
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Post by Mr Angry on Nov 27, 2013 17:01:34 GMT 1
That's one view. And a view you're entitled to. If Mr MacNeill was asked for his personal opinion and this was subsequently repeated in print then who is anybody to say that it, or its repetition, is right or wrong?
#rubbish
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Post by Auldnick on Nov 27, 2013 19:08:15 GMT 1
I got a copy of the "Yes" (to independence) campaign newspaper through my letterbox recently. I was disappointed to see an article on the back page as follows:- "Livingston supporters' spokesman Alasdair MacNeill said: "Football is a common language, we all support the national team so it's only natural to back Scotland off the park when it matters." Supporters of several other clubs - Hibs, Hearts, Rangers and Raith Rovers are cited as being in favour of the Yes vote. As a Livi supporter, I certainly haven't been asked for my views and I don't think I should be. I understand Mr MacNeill does a sterling job for the club on the website, but in my view neither the Club nor the supporters' groups should be entering into this debate, or purporting to speak on my behalf. Why not? Are you old enough to vote in the referendum? Do you have an opinion on the matter? If the answer is "Yes" to the 2nd & 3rd questions then the fact you are a Livi supporter is irrelevant. Your quote of the quote attributed to Ally doesn't suggest he is speaking for all Livi supporters, some Livi supporters are English & I dare say they don't support the Scottish national team....they might support independence though. |
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Post by livifan1 on Nov 27, 2013 21:18:47 GMT 1
The quote was made on behalf of the 'YES Livi Fans' group, not the supporters as a whole.
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Post by Mango Fan on Nov 27, 2013 22:02:12 GMT 1
Politics and football just don't go. I am really uncomfortable that a group of Livi fans say they represent the Livi fans without proper constitution. It's PLAIN wrong.
I was uncomfortable to see the official twitter feed retweeting a political tweet the other day admititly it was later seen as a mistake.
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Post by Pedro on Nov 27, 2013 22:33:01 GMT 1
I support Livingston FC and I'll be voting Yes for Scottish independence in the referendum in September 2014. Just sayin', likes.  |
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Post by Mango Fan on Nov 27, 2013 22:55:57 GMT 1
No issues with that Peter I do have a problem tho with the club promoting it & some saying they represent the club/supporters without the due process agreement. No other business/club would allow that without prior agreement. |
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Post by andylion on Nov 27, 2013 23:33:35 GMT 1
Auldnick, yes to Qs 2 and 3 but my views are quite separate from my support for Livi. And A. MacN is designated as "Livingston supporters spokesman.."
LiviFan1, I've never heard of this group, and the "Yes" newspaper doesn't make that clear.
Pedro, of course you are absolutely free and right to express your opinion as an individual, but that's not the role of a Livi fans group (as Mango Fan says better than me)
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Post by livifan1 on Nov 28, 2013 0:16:43 GMT 1
Not all Livi fans are 90 minute patriots though, and our club is only one of many which has seen elements of its supporters rally to the YES Scotland campaign. I've not yet seen an opposing no group being formed, but the more servile element of our support could easily start one if they so wish. Hibs, Hearts, Rangers and Raith Rovers are only a few. Celtic's is probably the largest pro-independence fans group, but Livi have had one for quite some time now. www.facebook.com/pages/YES-Livi-fans/116287155197907 |
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Post by andylion on Nov 28, 2013 1:12:07 GMT 1
Thanks for that link, livi fan.
I see the club is a friend of that page.
A question to the Club. Is it the case that the Board has made a policy decision in this respect and decided to declare an allegiance?
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Post by Mango Fan on Nov 28, 2013 7:58:12 GMT 1
More to the point. 'Who' decided the club should join that particular page?
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Post by livimoaner on Nov 28, 2013 14:14:34 GMT 1
No public insitute or common membership club should be stating an oinion on this.
Football on a saturday should be a refuge away from our normal worlds. With such a small support the last thing we should do is create more divisions between ourselves. It would be crazy to see one half of our stand flying yes banners why the other flys no, how daft would that look? (outside of being against the SPFL, EUFA and ground entry regulations)
The important thing here is everyone old enough can vote as they want on the day, we can debate on the correct thread but our football should be kept free of this so we are all livi fans together.
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Post by JonnyBeGood on Nov 28, 2013 19:44:35 GMT 1
I'm still weighing up the pro's and cons of the hole thing tbh, but things like last nights Scotland Tonight programme with Alistair Carmichael and Nicola Sturgeon are a real eye opener - talk about giving the school bully a skelped ass! I wouldn't like to take an open pay packet to that Sturgeon wummin. She really kens her corn! Anyway, I digress. The point I was going to make is that I think theie are too many lilly livers in all of this. This is something that we shouldn't be shiing away from. Also I don't think that liking a page on facebook is an indication od allegiance or otherwise and to suggest otherwise is untrue.
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Post by livimoaner on Nov 28, 2013 20:51:03 GMT 1
The problem with political debate on a football forum is that as we all know some people dont understand the limitations of polite debate.
There should be no "offical" supporter declaration on this and anyone proporting to be a spokesperson of supporters or club should remember their duty to all persons and opinions and decline to comment.
The other option for those who cannot contain their political view is to resigb their duties as spokespeople.
Chairs need to be h9nourable nuetral.
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Post by Auldnick on Nov 28, 2013 22:56:37 GMT 1
Can someone post up a photo of a mole hill & a photo of Ben Nevis please? Or maybe this will do....  |
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Post by Gregory's Girl on Dec 1, 2013 9:24:48 GMT 1
There are SNP and Labour adverts at stadiums we've been at this season. Livi are even hosting a Nicola Sturgeon meeting at Almondvale this week. I honestly don't see what the fuss is all about. Politics is part of life just like sport.
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Post by mclivi on Dec 1, 2013 13:36:09 GMT 1
Having a bundle of these newspapers to deliver I checked and andylion is absolutely correct in that Alasdair is described as "Livingston supporters spokesman" when in fact he should have been described as "Yes Livi fans spokesman". Pedantic as it may be, and as an enthusiastic adherent to this group, I have to back andylion here. As we complain about the inaccurate reporting of the largely pro "Bitter Together" media then we must aim for some degree of accuracy in publications we support.
I well remember having a letter published in the Scotsman in reply to a biased pro union diatribe by the then Chairman of the Royal Bank pointing out that his views were not necessarily those of the Bank staff or shareholders. As I was in fact an employee of the Bank at that time it perhaps explains why my career there didn't progress very far!
Finally, and andylion is perfectly entitled to disagree, it's YES from me.
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Post by livimoaner on Dec 2, 2013 14:11:50 GMT 1
1. There is a term used on internet forums, (forgotten what the theory is called) but it predicts that by a certain level or number of resonses, someone will accuse someone else of being a facist/nazi or say that sounds just like hitler....So are we going to have boundaries about the level of political debate we have?
2. I suggest that we remember that not all members that use this forum (or support Livingston FC) are born and breed in Scotland, and it would be wrong to disenfranchise them from this forum bynot restricting debate on the indy question to its applicable thread.
If they are in LFC it should just be LFC they are reading about.
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Post by livimoaner on Dec 2, 2013 14:15:00 GMT 1
just on a side, I thought one of the benefits of supporting our team is that we dont get involved with the silly little games that the likes of the OF get up to?
Withs Celtic all voting yes and Rangers all voting no..is there not enough bigorty around with out us joining in?
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Post by Auldnick on Dec 3, 2013 0:21:55 GMT 1
I agree that this thread is probably on the wrong forum....but that apart who really cares whether Ally was described as the voice of all Livi fans everywhere by a completely biased publication? Is it going to make you change your mind on the issue or make your mind up on the issue if you are as yet undecided? No, I thought not.
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