Time for Burke to walk?

Think that it's going to be a long term plan that'll be a long time slog, doesn't help that the other Livi "supporters" website negativity is somewhat to blame for the low attendances, I personally know 2 people who don't go to games anymore as I direct result of this, wonder how many more there is?

No.

Burke's had to endure a harder start to the season than I can remember us ever having given the injury problems we've had. Even with that, I think we've been better than what our results have shown. The Alloa game we controlled for large spells and came up against a 'keeper who was having oen of those days where he was saving everything - along with a couple off the woodwork and an offside goal.

QOTS we done excellently to stay in the game and take the lead and were unlucky at the death to concede a late equaliser. Falkirk game we were poor - no complaints there but even at Dundee the other night, we were on par (if not better) than Dundee in the first-half with only the penalty seperating a very even game. A lapse of concentration from a corner and a slip up from Mampuya cost us the 2nd and 3rd. Barrowman hit the bar and their keeper pulled off a great double save to keep the clean sheet.

I'd see the point of those moaning about Burke if we'd had a full squad and were being outplayed but that's not been the case. If we'd had Scougall, Burchill, O'Brien, Jacobs & McNulty all fit from the start of the season, youngsters like McDonald, Docherty, Beaumont & Mullen wouldn't have been thrown in from the start and could have gained their experience coming on later on and what not.

We've also had to cut the wage budget by quite a bit too and I actually think Burke's done well to assemble the squad he has with the little money available to him.

We're only 4 games in - plenty time yet for things to click.

With all due respect Pedro its not just 4 games is it? . Since he was appointed in March with better quality players at his disposal our results went downhill. We even managed to lose third place form what seemed an assured position.

The "loudmouths" as I have said earlier are expressing (not very eloquently I agree) a view that has been evident in a few of the games I've attended so far this season by a fair number of fans within my earshot. They're not loudmouths just rank and file supporters who can see that things are not right and are very concerned about how this season is going to pan out.

Burke will get the benefit of the doubt at the moment given the injuries to established players that has denied him a full squad to pick from but what happens if there is no improvement when these players are back?

I don't like to see the revolving door of managers anymore than the next fan but corrective action will be required if things don't improve.

I agree with Jamie and fandango

He has not won a home game since he has game, even with the team we had last season.

I agree that we need to get behind a manager and I don't think Burke is the man for it.

Let's be honest here, the players at the end of last season blew hot and cold and sometimes not at all. If you ask me they knew the club was skint therefore no contract extensions and therefore a possible explanation of some of the performances that we all saw. Burke has had half arsed players at the tail end of last season and so far this season he's been forced into playing bairns who wouldn't normally get a look in in the 1st division, and Neil Hastings too. I, for one, will not be joining in the calls for his head.

Bollan and Evans were sacked whilst results were generally positive, even with a full strength squad Burke has been unable to conjure up anything near acceptable.

Players being out injured is part of the game and a challenge that a proper manager would aim to over come rather than moan about it. If our injury list is so bad then maybe the training and warm up routines are not working right. Whose job would that be to sort out?

The vocal dislike of Burke is not some mob mentality as seen at Blackburn with the "Get Kean Out" brigade, but with fans who know that we are headed for relegation without any semblance of a fight.

If we keep Burke onto Christmas with no change in results then we are screwed, perhaps we are screwed already but having sacked previous managers for less, it is no unreasonable to expect a change in personnel, although since our beloved Board do not make mistakes they will be unlikely to want to admit their error in promoting the third choice coach beyond his capabilities!

You get it at all clubs Mr Angry; even successful ones.

I am not convinced that Burke has the skill set required to be a successful manager but I think we need some stability & as he has been given the opportunity to reshape the team he deserves a chance to see what he can do with a fully fit squad to choose from & who are motivated to achieve something with the club that has shown faith in them.

Aren't Keaghan, Scougall and O'Brien our only injuries? They'll all make a difference when back but won't exactly have us winning week in week out. Think Burke should be given a bit more time but if he continues to just stand at the touchline with his arms crossed while players looked confused as to what to do at a corner then I can't see much changing soon.

I have watched football at many levels for a long time and have seen the treatment of managers change unimaginably in that time from respected figurehead to easily attainable scapegoat.
I have also witnessed in that time the change in the treatment of players from paid employees to untouchable entities.
Many years ago, players were very much owned by the club, gave all because often they grew up supporting the same club and had very few perks apart from a free cup of tea at half time.
It also seems that players are instantly dissolved of any responsibility of results on the park or actions off it.
The end of the last season is case in point. Many of those players we wined at dined at the POTY awards I felt had given up way before the end of the season, being to protect their bodies for future employers or having little to play for with the structure of the game.
So we can only be judging the manager on what is happening now.
He has no capital fund to buy in players, so he is dealing with a team of left overs and make up weights, as better players will have been brought by teams with money or been offered better deals than we could.
That said he should be judged on what he can do. I see no change in team preparation or training techniques, no change in his demeanor in the dug out or a realistic appraisal of the game used in the press.
It seems that the only asset we have left is time so maybe we use it wisely for now.

No idea but I know his wife is out in America so if so, it's more likely to do with the fact that with us having the free weekend, he's been allowed to go home to visit her. Don't see the harm in that myself - if that is indeed the case.