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Post by Capital Lion on May 7, 2013 19:23:01 GMT 1
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22438732Looks like a fair bit of progress has been made today with regards to the league set-up with the SPL sides unanimously agreeing to a merger of the league bodies and the proposed introduction of play-offs involving the SPL's 11th-placed side and SFL1's 2nd-4th placed sides, not to mention a fairer distribution of monies. All seems very positive but of course there is still the matter of the formal votes to come yet......
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Post by LiviLion21 on May 8, 2013 8:49:39 GMT 1
If admission prices are still sitting in the £15-£20 region, I'm not so sure any sort of league reconstruction will make a huge amount of difference.
Will having a play-off for second place make an average punter now spend £16/£17 that he didn't before?
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Post by livimoaner on May 8, 2013 10:48:44 GMT 1
Just Check what the changes mean to us customers...
This season we played the likes of Dunfermline and Raith home and away four times.
Under the change we will play them home and away...four times, but with the addition of the play off system which they propose, it could be five times and least we forget the three cup games.
So in one season it will be possible to play the same side, 4 +1 +3, (and replays)
Good to see the changes have freshened things up for the paying public.....
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Post by livimoaner on May 8, 2013 10:53:05 GMT 1
Redistribution of income....
Shall we call it what it is, keep quite money.
The only collective calling for change in line with what the customer wants has been silenced in one single move.
Ignoring the customer survey, ignoring the wishes of the national manager, we will be forced do the same old format because its the one that best suites Celtic needs, and appeases their customers wishes to keep rangers out of the SPL or as long as possible.
I hope the additional income offsets the continued falling attendances.
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Post by Capital Lion on May 8, 2013 11:13:17 GMT 1
If admission prices are still sitting in the £15-£20 region, I'm not so sure any sort of league reconstruction will make a huge amount of difference. Will having a play-off for second place make an average punter now spend £16/£17 that he didn't before? True. Unlikely to affect this season but I would like to think that greater income from other sources (i.e. prize money) would leave clubs in a position to reduce admission prices in seasons to come without taking as much of a financial hit. And as regards playing the same teams more often, I go to the games to watch Livi and the team in the other half of the pitch is of little consequence to me, and four, possibly six, games against the same teams is a price to pay, on a short-term basis at least, for a greater chance to gain promotion to the SPL. At least with all 42 clubs now set to be under one umbrella, I daresay the chances of reaching an agreement on a more radical reconstruction are vastly improved. |
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Post by livimoaner on May 8, 2013 16:14:05 GMT 1
If admission prices are still sitting in the £15-£20 region, I'm not so sure any sort of league reconstruction will make a huge amount of difference. Will having a play-off for second place make an average punter now spend £16/£17 that he didn't before? True. Unlikely to affect this season but I would like to think that greater income from other sources (i.e. prize money) would leave clubs in a position to reduce admission prices in seasons to come without taking as much of a financial hit. And as regards playing the same teams more often, I go to the games to watch Livi and the team in the other half of the pitch is of little consequence to me, and four, possibly six, games against the same teams is a price to pay, on a short-term basis at least, for a greater chance to gain promotion to the SPL. At least with all 42 clubs now set to be under one umbrella, I daresay the chances of reaching an agreement on a more radical reconstruction are vastly improved. I agree with your sentiment about using some of the extra income for the benefit of long suffering fans. Unfortunately football has a poor track record in this regard. History shows that apart from enforced ground improvement, the majority of extra income has always gone in the direction of players and agents. I think it does matter about the opposition. taken to the extreme and there was only one team to play how would that sell. As a one off game such as the Army navy game the other week yes, write your own checks for the tickets. But if that happened every week? More holistically what is it doing to the standard of our players playing the same people over and over. |
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Post by livimoaner on May 9, 2013 16:35:08 GMT 1
It would be nice to know as a fan base what we want;
If I could launch a poll I would.
But a simple vote
12 10 10 10 (A)
or
18 24? (B)
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Post by Capital Lion on Jun 12, 2013 13:35:46 GMT 1
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22864944SFL clubs have voted 23-6 in favour of the merger of the governing bodies in time for next season, allowing for a fairer financial distribution and, crucially, First Division play-offs next season. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22862971Also, the SFA yesterday voted in favour of the creation of the Lowland League, seen as the first step towards a pyramid structure.
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Post by livimoaner on Jun 12, 2013 14:29:23 GMT 1
I hope the next step is the reduction of two bodies into one.
Are all the blazers out on their ears or do they have parachute payments?
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Post by LiviLion21 on Jun 12, 2013 16:52:22 GMT 1
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Post by afro on Jun 12, 2013 17:31:28 GMT 1
At least it's a step in the right direction. The introduction of play-offs to the SPL is a huge incentive for the teams in the First Division - it cuts down on the number of "meaningless" games during the latter stages of the season. I could be totally off the mark with this, but depending on what you read we made of a loss £200k last year; with the extra prize money we'd have lost c.£8k. Surely then, with a hefty bout of cost cutting in place for the coming season we will make a profit? Making a profit this coming season would be a great achievement, all things considered. |
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Post by Pedro on Jun 12, 2013 18:46:50 GMT 1
I think I'll always be of the opinion that league position is paramount and that a full season of games tells you who should go up and who should go down. I think play-offs are a fabricated piece of nonsense and that they are only here to gloss over the fact that there is only one guaranteed promotion place from the 1st, 2nd and 3rd Divisions.
That said, and with no sign of the number of guaranteed promotion places increasing any time soon, the introduction of a promotion play-off for the 1st Division for the coming season has got to be better than only one up. If we can't win the league then fourth and above gives us further bites at the SPL cherry.
Another thought is that I wonder how this new SPFL will affect the various clubs in the current SFL that film games and provide match highlights?
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Post by Auldnick on Jun 12, 2013 23:38:33 GMT 1
Agreed on the play off comment.....if there have to be play offs then the bottom 2 in the higher division should be relegated & the champs plus 1 of the next 4 promoted - similar to the set up down south & the final should be a one off game at a neutral venue....but I'd much rather have a straight 2 up 2 down over the season.
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Post by LiviLion21 on Jun 13, 2013 10:27:44 GMT 1
I think it's a good thing that we've now got 6 places in the division that have some form of 'meaning' come the end of the season. It means that even with a few games to go, the teams in 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th will all likely have something to fight for to either avoid dropping into relegation/relegation play-off place or the chance at a pop at promotion.
Take this season, if play-offs had been in place, we'd have had a two-legged semi final against St Mirren for a place in the play-off final. That would have been superb. Not only that but the last few games of the season would have meant a lot more than the sort of half effort/not arsed games we seen in the last few weeks.
It'll add a bit more excitement post split in the top flight too. Dundee were long gone last season which meant that the rest of the bottom 6 had very little to play for. Now they know they need to aim to avoid 11th too.
It might not be the change that saves Scottish football or makes it a money spinning fortress but it'll certainly add a bit more excitement to the SPL and first division over the season that we currently have just now.
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Post by LiviLion21 on Jul 4, 2013 11:43:11 GMT 1
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Post by Auldnick on Jul 4, 2013 23:20:41 GMT 1
Squad numbers & players names on shirts in top two divisions....looks like Doncaster had a busy day. (cough)
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Post by Livi News on Jul 6, 2013 9:26:40 GMT 1
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Post by Pedro on Jul 6, 2013 10:10:32 GMT 1
Call me old fashioned but I just can't help thinking that your league position, and any promotion or relegation that may be appropriate to that position, should be worked out over a full league season. And that's it. Next they'll be introducing 'added time multi ball' to liven things up the 'Soccertainment' for fans.  |
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Post by Auldnick on Jul 7, 2013 0:59:24 GMT 1
You're old fashioned.....but I agree on promotion relegation.....that said it does give the teams that are not going to make 2nd something to play for but then why not go the whole hog....bottom club goes down; top club comes up; second bottom goes into play off with everyone from 2nd to 8th in the divison below.....could split into play offs after everyone has played everyone else twice, setting the points to zero - two seasons in one....nah...no one would ever go for something that daft....or would they?
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Post by LiviLion21 on Jul 25, 2013 12:34:45 GMT 1
Apparently the squad numbers and names on shirts thng is now only mandatory for the Premier League, optional for the 'Championship' and not required for 'League 1' and League 2'.
I know Dundee and Hamilton are doing both but Morton are sticking with 1-11.
What a farce. Surely you've got to either do it or not do it - no' have half the league doing one thing and the other half doing the other?
And what was wrong with the calling the division 1-4? So now 'League One' is actually the third tier of Scottish football? Clueless.
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Post by Papa Shango on Jul 26, 2013 15:24:07 GMT 1
With our away tops (and I assume home tops too) having the Tony Macaroni sponsor across the shoulders, I reckon we won't be doing the names. Looks like we'd already went ahead with getting the sponsor printed on there before they said anything about player names going on - reckon that must be the reason why they've said it's optional now?
Cost aside, squad numbers would be good - especially with us playing a lot of younger guys. Would make it easier for folk just to have a look at the MDM and identify who was who.
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