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Post by LiviLion21 on May 9, 2013 8:59:58 GMT 1
For the sake of about £1 a game for an adult there is not much to tempt people to stump up in advance as there is no massive saving. A season ticket would save you £2.50 per game which is a saving of £50 over a season. If you're suggesting that £50 is "no massive saving" (which you are) then you've got a lot more money than me. |
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Post by bobafett on May 9, 2013 13:38:26 GMT 1
For the sake of about £1 a game for an adult there is not much to tempt people to stump up in advance as there is no massive saving. A season ticket would save you £2.50 per game which is a saving of £50 over a season. If you're suggesting that £50 is "no massive saving" (which you are) then you've got a lot more money than me. At £270 for the 18 league games it works out £15 a game upfront, but if you pay at the gate its £16 a match so you are only saving a £1 a game |
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Post by LiviLion21 on May 9, 2013 14:32:23 GMT 1
At £270 for the 18 league games it works out £15 a game upfront, but if you pay at the gate its £16 a match so you are only saving a £1 a game It covers more than just 18 league games though? |
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Post by livimoaner on May 9, 2013 16:29:06 GMT 1
As a consumer you have a duty to get the best value possible.
As a fan you show your loyalty by buying the ST if you can afford it.
maybe what the discussion is missing is a bit of compromise, a happy middle ground where both sides can be satisfied?
Don't ask me where that price point is as my maths is not good enough.
One more thing I would say is please read the parable about prodigal sons, possible Luke's version. It may remind us this is not a them or us game but one that if we could unify, it will be better for the whole.
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Post by bobafett on May 9, 2013 16:43:38 GMT 1
At £270 for the 18 league games it works out £15 a game upfront, but if you pay at the gate its £16 a match so you are only saving a £1 a game It covers more than just 18 league games though? There is no guarentee of a home cup game, and the pre-season games are never that much of a draw anyway nor are they likely to cost full price. |
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Post by Inch Lion on May 9, 2013 18:37:42 GMT 1
While there is no guarantee we'll get home games it would be highly unusual not to get one. Between the 2 games added to the season ticket it's like to be around £20 in value maybe even more depending on the team we get drawn against.
The club needs its fans right now & IMO this is the time the club needs its supporters to stand up and be counted. These are not massive hikes they are modest increases in what is very difficult trading conditions.
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Post by Auldnick on May 9, 2013 23:24:47 GMT 1
At £270 for the 18 league games it works out £15 a game upfront, but if you pay at the gate its £16 a match so you are only saving a £1 a game It covers more than just 18 league games though? Only guaranteed 1 friendly....the other game only becomes relavant with a home draw in the cups....lets say the 1st tie in the Ramsdens Cup is a home tie....do you use your ticket for that or save it in the hopes we get a "Big team" at home in the League Cup or Scottish Cup. Also, cup tie prices are often dropped for the early rounds, so if you use it you may find it is worth less than a league match so the price per match value of the ST isn't as good. And its not about squeezing as much from the club as possible as Papa Shango suggests, its purely budgetary constraints. |
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Post by LiviLion21 on May 10, 2013 9:31:26 GMT 1
I don't think there an option to save the 'cup ticket' - sure it said for our 'first home cup tie' so assume it's just a case of the first cup draw we're at home, ST's are valid then after that it'll be PATG for future rounds (hopefully) regardless of whether you used the ticket or not.
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Post by durnford on May 10, 2013 9:41:05 GMT 1
I think there's a danger of getting a bit anal over this "how many games" thing. I can only make the weekend games so it is only worthwhile for me and the family to pay at the gate - and before people start countering with the "its only X quid" or whatever argument there's five of us and I pay for everybody so I have to look at the cost a lot more.
However the club still gets my money irrespective so where's the problem? Okay; its spread over the season as opposed to in a lump sum but so are many of the club's expenses (for that matter so is my earning potential so it suits everyone).
My main concern is that looking at the amount of directors loans the club has received over the past few years we really need to be nearer the 2,000 home gate than we are at present. For some games we've ot been par off that but for many games nearer the 1,200?
My question is what can we do to increase the gate (obviously the club are cutting costs wherever they can; hopefully additional money earned from league reorganisation and there's always the chance that we will get a "big" offer for one of our youngster but I think that's a season too early) and by "WE" I mean the supporters as well as the club.
I don't agree with LiviLion21's statement that the people of Livingston aren't interested in the club; I think we got season ticket sales of around 3 - 4000 when we were in the SPL; apparently an additional 500 turned up to the £5 game, thanks in no small part to those valiant members who went out continuously to pos leaflets through the door etc. (one can only speculate how big a gate we would have got had the weather not snaffled the first arranged game) and free tickets for schools etc. seemed to have a high take up as well.
People are willing to come along; there is still an interest there - my sons are often asking if they can bring along a friend to the game also (translates as "will you pay; dad?"). We took a big hit with being dropped to the third division; a lot of people lost faith; drifted away etc. These people are still around; they may even be your neighbours - what can be done to dring them back?
Price is a factor maybe but just one factor; team success; entertainment; the weather; uncertainty etc. etc.? The people are still there; saturday afternoons are still there....
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Post by livimoaner on May 10, 2013 16:13:04 GMT 1
I think there is a case to be made for limited ticket or half season books.
I think books of five could work, give people a taster of livi life.
Also think that in our modern economy standing orders could be used, with a combination of E tickets,but that will involve using scanners. Maybe they could be hired from the same company that do Hearts?
Would really hope that the SFL (or is that SPL2) would have been adult enough by now to coordinate marketing to the benefit of all clubs and end this ridiculous them verses us scenario we "enjoy" now. Pooled advertising buys bigger impact than small piecemeal arrangements.
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Post by 2jayz on May 10, 2013 16:22:48 GMT 1
I'll be getting my ST's as usual regardelss of the cost v's cost per game.
If I don't I canny tell anyone to get aff my seat.
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Post by Auldnick on May 10, 2013 18:27:47 GMT 1
I don't think there an option to save the 'cup ticket' - sure it said for our 'first home cup tie' so assume it's just a case of the first cup draw we're at home, ST's are valid then after that it'll be PATG for future rounds (hopefully) regardless of whether you used the ticket or not. Yep, you're right....had another look and its definitely the first home cup tie in either Ramsdens or League cup; although that COULD mean you get a choice of which competition you use it in. I'm sure I read somewhere that there would be an option like that but it could have been just another post speculating along those lines. However, the bottom line is there is no guarantee of a home tie. |
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Post by LiviLion21 on May 30, 2013 9:07:30 GMT 1
Went down and got mine yesterday. My auld Grandad got his an'aw. Looking forward to the new season already!
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Post by fandango on Jun 3, 2013 20:26:32 GMT 1
Be getting mine (+2 others) probably towards the end of July given other financial committments. Any idea how sales are going?
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Post by lynchyyy on Jun 26, 2013 19:17:24 GMT 1
How much are the season tickets costing because my friend says to renew his it will cost him £540.
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Post by Auldnick on Jun 26, 2013 20:48:30 GMT 1
To suggest that the cost means that any new supporter is unlikely to part with some moolah is a non-argument. When the club put forward a good idea last season that would have seen folk get discounted ST's had the community came out and snapped them up, it didn't work because no-one is interested. As far as I'm concerned, if the club had knocked £20 off them and made it £230, it wouldn't have impacted the sales at all. An increase of £20 from last season but I'll get another two games for my money aswell as a few weeks in the Lothian Lotto. Given that I'd have stumped up for both the friendly and the cup game anyway, I'm quite happy to call it £20 extra to have them included. If you can't afford it, you can't afford it. The club have dropped the PATG entrance price so it'll be cheaper for you to make the games you can. Folk who want to buy a season ticket will. Others can whine and moan about it £13.50 a game, given the current costs across the board, isn't too bad. Lets not kid ourselves, if LFC decided to sell the seaon tickets at a tenner a head, we'd still be lucky to shift anymore than 1500. Disagree that its a "non-argument" - the deal last season wouldn't entice a "new supporter" until the discounts started kicking in as they would be more likely to take advantage of a lower rate than contribute to the numbers trying to reach the discount trigger. So a lower starting price is always going to tempt folk; doesn't mean they will succumb to the temptation. Also, if the season ticket was a tenner a head then I think you would have quite a few more than 1500 snapping them up but this IS a non-argument because they would never be priced so low. Folk who want to & can afford to will by season tickets; I want to but can't afford to, so I won't but I will hopefully make it along to most home games. |
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Post by Auldnick on Jun 27, 2013 18:49:08 GMT 1
How much are the season tickets costing because my friend says to renew his it will cost him £540. He must be in the market for 2 adult tickets then. I see the pre-season friendly PATG prices are substantially less than the £13.50 quoted as the ST "per match equivalent"....thus reducing the "value for money" aspect of the ST; FWIW I think the club have probably got the walk up prices for the pre-season games right but the advertising on the season ticket is now clearly inaccurate (I just received a ST renewal reminder yesterday.....still offering the 3 payments option even though the payment dates were MAY 31, June 30 & July 31......& the blurb still suggesting that the 20 games on a "per match equivalent" is £13.50....its not a huge amount but it is inaccurate nonetheless). |
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Post by fourfourtwo on Jul 3, 2013 14:23:19 GMT 1
Went down and paid for mine on monday. Looking forwrad to getting back into the usual routine. Its only 3 weeks on saturday until the berwick cup game...be here before we know it.
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Post by LiviLion21 on Jul 4, 2013 11:45:00 GMT 1
Anyone heard when we can pick the tickets up? Given that you can use it for one of the friendlies and the first one is on Wednesday, I'm assuming they'll be available around now? Unless the you just go into reception to pick up your free ticket for whatever game you're using it for?
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Post by Benedict Le Gauche on Jul 9, 2013 0:06:05 GMT 1
I remember buying my first season ticket as a boy. Heady days. Warm memories. It didn't matter how, you just got the money and you got your ticket. Couldn't imagine not having one. Jumpers for goalposts, anyone?
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