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Post by yakov on Apr 29, 2013 18:56:09 GMT 1
I see Dumbarton have announced prices for next season. Guessing the only thing holding them back was 100% certainty of being in SFL1 next season. £190 for an adult early bird. And we have a better home attendance. Not too shabby.
Ours can't be too far off being announced now
With a change in my working pattern, I'm not buying one, but if we can match Dumbarton's price, I'll definitely get one regardless of how many I can't get to. Don't expect ours to be any cheaper than the £250 of this season though.
Thoughts?
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Post by Auldnick on Apr 29, 2013 22:55:46 GMT 1
Can't see ours being cheaper than this season
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Post by bobafett on Apr 29, 2013 23:07:48 GMT 1
With the prospect of losing so many players and after a lacklustre end to the current campaign I think if the prices are not competitive I can see a lot of people being put off and not renewing.
Hopefully the club have a family friendly deal that offers proper value for money on kids tickets to encourage people to part with their cash rather than providing an excuse not to renew
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Post by lividihard on May 2, 2013 10:36:35 GMT 1
Season ticket prices are in the Courier today.
Adult - £270
Senior - £135
Student - £135
Child - £80
Season tickets include
Admission to all eighteen home games
Admission to 1 home pre season friendly
Admission to first home cup tie of season in either Ramsden or league cup
Invitation to exclusive season ticket holders events
26 weeks free entry to the Lothian lotto (except child season tickets)
Pay at the gate prices have slightly altered as well:
Adult - £16
Senior - £10
Student - £10
Child - £5
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Post by durnford on May 2, 2013 11:41:41 GMT 1
With the prospect of losing so many players and after a lacklustre end to the current campaign I think if the prices are not competitive I can see a lot of people being put off and not renewing. Hopefully the club have a family friendly deal that offers proper value for money on kids tickets to encourage people to part with their cash rather than providing an excuse not to renew Have to agree about the pricing. I pay for my sons season tickets and to face a price rise of 35% is a bit of a choker. Pay at the gate seems like the best move bearing in mind we usually miss about 4 games a season due to being moved to mid-week; particularly as they now have a student gate. |
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Post by livimoaner on May 2, 2013 12:35:01 GMT 1
Traditionally people have looked at the cost benefit of a ST, which is right.
But in these dark times of Scottish football, maybe the price should be looked beyond and the survival of the club should be our biggest determining factor.
I feel that the ST should have more fringe benefits, which could include:
A couple of free tickets at the back of the book to get new faces to the vale.
A favorable rate for the gym under the North Stand, this benefiting both organizations.
Reduced hire rates for the hospitality / room hire.
Free tea for every game..
It just those little things that make you feel you are special and cared about, just like Maslow teaches in regards to motivation.
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Post by bobafett on May 2, 2013 16:07:49 GMT 1
On one hand you can look at people financially supporting the club, but at the same time the club need to make sure they don't price people out the door.
Things are tough all over and when looking at if you can afford to spend over the odds for a season ticket then a lot of people are going to rightly side with their own financial survival.
The cost of reducing the PATG prices has obviously been put on the Season Ticket Holders, but this has now made paying per match more attractive which is only going to deny the club much needed income during the close season.
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Post by Pedro on May 2, 2013 17:47:21 GMT 1
Season ticket prices are in the Courier today.
Adult - £270
Senior - £135
Student - £135
Child - £80
Season tickets include
Admission to all eighteen home games
Admission to 1 home pre season friendly
Admission to first home cup tie of season in either Ramsden or league cup
Invitation to exclusive season ticket holders events
26 weeks free entry to the Lothian lotto (except child season tickets)
Pay at the gate prices have slightly altered as well:
Adult - £16
Senior - £10
Student - £10
Child - £5 Adult - £270 = £13.50 per match - a saving of £2.50 per match over patg Senior - £135 = £6.75 per match - a saving of £3.25 per match over patg Student - £135 = £6.75 per match - a saving of £3.25 per match over patg Child - £80 = £4 per match - a saving of £1 per match over patg |
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Post by durnford on May 2, 2013 20:40:07 GMT 1
Looking at league games only (particularly relevant for those that cannot attend midweek matches) i think the figures come out at:
Adult - £270 = £15.00 per match - a saving of £1 per match over patg
Senior - £135 = £7.50 per match - a saving of £2.50 per match over patg
Student - £135 = £7.50 per match - a saving of £2.50 per match over patg
Child - £80 = £4.44 per match - a saving of £0.56 per match over patg
The 35% hike in the cost of a student ticket is a bit of a painful one but was was really sore for me was that yesterday a neighbour pointed out that they were paying £50 for their child's season ticket at Parkhead. Even more painful when I remember that one of their boys is a regular in one of the Livi youth teams.
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Post by Gregory's Girl on May 3, 2013 9:15:53 GMT 1
Is that not a strange way to work things out? That's like saying if you buy a season ticket but can only make it to one game then you will pay more than a pay at the gate fan for that game. Of course you will. How bizarre. I think they are reasonable. Not cheap but on the other hand not rip off either. We save a little each month (if we can) to lessen the amount to pay when this time comes each year. Hope we sell loads, but can't see it somehow.
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Post by durnford on May 3, 2013 9:56:46 GMT 1
Is that not a strange way to work things out? That's like saying if you buy a season ticket but can only make it to one game then you will pay more than a pay at the gate fan for that game. Of course you will. How bizarre. I think they are reasonable. Not cheap but on the other hand not rip off either. We save a little each month (if we can) to lessen the amount to pay when this time comes each year. Hope we sell loads, but can't see it somehow. Actually I don't think so. I'm only interested in a season ticket without all the additional stuff that I probably wouldn't use anyway - if you were to take the alternative view you could look at the cost of PATG and the cost of a Lothian Lotto ticket. The cup game will probably be mid-week and probably not full price as will the friendly - I wouldn't be able to make either so why include them; they weren't included before. I had a similar example the other day when I got my car insurance renewal; noticing it had gone up I checked the details only to find that they had "kindly" included "roadside assistance" and legal protection - neither were on the original policy so why include them now? Personally I'd have rather saved the additional £50 they wanted to charge me. Just to be clear I actually think its wrong that the board should continually subsidise the running of the club with directorial loans etc. and we should really be running within our means. Obviously that means increasing revenue and cutting costs. I just don't think the maths are going to work on this - it will discourage some from renewing and can't see one potential new season ticket holder from signing up. Just my opinion; I've been wrong before - as show by last season when I actually thought the "We sell more you pay less" was a good idea. |
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Post by Mango Fan on May 3, 2013 13:07:15 GMT 1
Tough times, but I just could not imagine not being at the vale on a Saturday afternoon watching the team I love to see every Saturday. I will find the extra £20 and be there supporting the team next season. I will of course miss a hero not being here tho  'mon the Lions  |
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Post by livimoaner on May 3, 2013 13:18:36 GMT 1
This is a debate that has been repeated over and over for as long as I have been associated with Livi.
It seems that as we have our own micro climate when it comes to weather, we have our own economic model.
Be it football for a fiver or whatever else that gets tried we seem to trundle along with a similar gate.
Compared to when I first came to Livi that gate is noticeably smaller.
Compared to our day out at Hampden it much smaller.
So it seems that the most effective way of improving gates is to have something to play for.
All the time Scottish football is structured the way it is, we will have the same debate at the end of another season.
Scottish football is a treadmill of mediocre of performance and of ideas that is destroying my club.
Now a question for all those asking for a cheaper ST...
If you got that cheaper ticket, would you commit to spending more in the club? Will for example you buy a pint every saturday in the Club bar or buy a pie in the hospitality suites?
Are you willing to change your habits to support your club? I know for sure there are not 700 people in the bar after the game?
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Post by durnford on May 3, 2013 13:40:02 GMT 1
This is a debate that has been repeated over and over for as long as I have been associated with Livi. It seems that as we have our own micro climate when it comes to weather, we have our own economic model. Be it football for a fiver or whatever else that gets tried we seem to trundle along with a similar gate. Compared to when I first came to Livi that gate is noticeably smaller. Compared to our day out at Hampden it much smaller. So it seems that the most effective way of improving gates is to have something to play for. All the time Scottish football is structured the way it is, we will have the same debate at the end of another season. Scottish football is a treadmill of mediocre of performance and of ideas that is destroying my club. Now a question for all those asking for a cheaper ST... If you got that cheaper ticket, would you commit to spending more in the club? Will for example you buy a pint every saturday in the Club bar or buy a pie in the hospitality suites? Are you willing to change your habits to support your club? I know for sure there are not 700 people in the bar after the game? Some very valid points; as for buying a pint before the game; not in my case. I drive to the ground with my family and as such do not drink. I do however spend on average about £20 in the servery every game - its unfortunate that it doesn't directly benefit the club anymore. I wasn't requesting cheaper season tickets particularly by was struggling to see how this would result in selling higher numbers of STs. I can't see any new visitors to the Vale being enticed to buy a season ticket when pay at the gate is effectively more affordable. Remember this is not the die-hard supporters who have held a season ticket since year X but the new prospective supporters who are wondering what to do with their Saturday afternoons. My personal beef is that raising season tickets whilst reducing PATG seems to benefit the wrong people e.g. the visiting away supporters. |
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Post by livimoaner on May 3, 2013 14:49:23 GMT 1
This is a debate that has been repeated over and over for as long as I have been associated with Livi. It seems that as we have our own micro climate when it comes to weather, we have our own economic model. Be it football for a fiver or whatever else that gets tried we seem to trundle along with a similar gate. Compared to when I first came to Livi that gate is noticeably smaller. Compared to our day out at Hampden it much smaller. So it seems that the most effective way of improving gates is to have something to play for. All the time Scottish football is structured the way it is, we will have the same debate at the end of another season. Scottish football is a treadmill of mediocre of performance and of ideas that is destroying my club. Now a question for all those asking for a cheaper ST... If you got that cheaper ticket, would you commit to spending more in the club? Will for example you buy a pint every saturday in the Club bar or buy a pie in the hospitality suites? Are you willing to change your habits to support your club? I know for sure there are not 700 people in the bar after the game? Some very valid points; as for buying a pint before the game; not in my case. I drive to the ground with my family and as such do not drink. I do however spend on average about £20 in the servery every game - its unfortunate that it doesn't directly benefit the club anymore. I wasn't requesting cheaper season tickets particularly by was struggling to see how this would result in selling higher numbers of STs. I can't see any new visitors to the Vale being enticed to buy a season ticket when pay at the gate is effectively more affordable. Remember this is not the die-hard supporters who have held a season ticket since year X but the new prospective supporters who are wondering what to do with their Saturday afternoons. My personal beef is that raising season tickets whilst reducing PATG seems to benefit the wrong people e.g. the visiting away supporters. A fair point. I would agree that drink driving is not the way to go but I did not specify beer, you could suffer a soft drink with me afterwards. When it comes to utilities, it seems that they are willing to discount highly to attract new customers and then bang the cost up in year two hoping people don't notice. Other companies offer loyalty discounts for staying with them. I remember pedro a few years back saying that changing price did not affect the crowd and he could be right. I would add that our crowd would be more affected by the result /outcome of the game. If this Saturdays game took us into a play off or got us promoted then I am sure that we would double or normal crowd. The challenge is to get a season full of such games. back to ST prices, I would have expected a rise in price. We now an established first division side. We should expect an increase that factors for inflation. I also think that having something to play for will affect ST sales more than price. An extra straight promotion spot, a play off system, both would add to the value of the ticket you buy for that season, Scottish football has to spread success. |
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Post by livimoaner on May 3, 2013 15:53:31 GMT 1
If every supporter brought the equal of one pint...
700 regulars
3.00 for the pint
£2100 increase in revenue or £1050 a week would get a no bad player or help hold onto some we treasure.
It definitely a case of adding up the pennies to make a difference to the club.
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Post by yakov on May 3, 2013 19:10:26 GMT 1
I wasn't buying a season ticket either way so I'm happy, as if I make every game next season I save £18 on PATG.
I like the idea of cup game being included but that may never come in to play. Rangers at Ibrox in the first round of the Ramsdens, and Queen of the South at Palmerston in the League Cup and there's every chance there's no saving at all. And pre-season friendlies are a massive waste of time for the fan. Never been interested in home ones at least.
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Post by Auldnick on May 4, 2013 0:21:39 GMT 1
Season ticket prices are in the Courier today.
Adult - £270
Senior - £135
Student - £135
Child - £80
Season tickets include
Admission to all eighteen home games
Admission to 1 home pre season friendly
Admission to first home cup tie of season in either Ramsden or league cup
Invitation to exclusive season ticket holders events
26 weeks free entry to the Lothian lotto (except child season tickets)
Pay at the gate prices have slightly altered as well:
Adult - £16
Senior - £10
Student - £10
Child - £5 Adult - £270 = £13.50 per match - a saving of £2.50 per match over patg Senior - £135 = £6.75 per match - a saving of £3.25 per match over patg Student - £135 = £6.75 per match - a saving of £3.25 per match over patg Child - £80 = £4 per match - a saving of £1 per match over patg Your savings are only accurate IF we get a home cup tie, which is not guaranteed & if you actually manage to attend all the games you are entitled to....which is by no means certain, I usually miss a game or two simply because other events are in the diary before the fixture list is compiled. While the club's season tickets (especially the family tickets) have been excellent value over the years, this price range is nowhere near as attractive & far less affordable; especially for those who have benefitted from the family packages but who now have no one qualifying for the concession ticket. I'm not blaming the club here, it has to come up with prices that allow it to exist but I think the price of watching football in Scotland in general is grossly inflated & I think that has come about because of the grossly inflated wage of the modern day footballer. |
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Post by Inch Lion on May 4, 2013 8:43:03 GMT 1
I LOVE my club. I'll be parting with my hard earned. No conditions attached.
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Post by bobafett on May 4, 2013 22:45:55 GMT 1
Wish I could happily give money away to the club without having to worry about getting value for money.
This seasons prices offer little value and the Board may have got this one so wrong that their budgeting may be severely disrupted if a significant number of people switch to PATG
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Post by Papa Shango on May 8, 2013 8:59:06 GMT 1
It's the same old moaning from Livi fans every year with the season ticket. £270 for 20 games isn't unreasonable at all given the average cost to PATG in the first division.
I thought fans would buy their tickets and if they couldn't make a game one day because their Mrs isn't letting them away from doing the messages then so be it. Didn't realise there were so many folk trying to squeeze every possible penny back from Livi at every opportunity. It's sad really.
I'm hoping to get down this weekend to buy mine. Hopefully there'll be plenty fans getting down as early as they can to get theirs and help the club see what sort of budget they have.
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Post by Capital Lion on May 8, 2013 11:21:01 GMT 1
Not unduly concerned by the slight increase in season ticket prices (only £1 a game after all!).
All being well I'll be in a position to make every game so I fully intend on buying one in the next month or so!
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Post by Mr Angry on May 8, 2013 17:39:59 GMT 1
Has a football club ever been strangled to death by it's own fans?
#rubbish
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Post by bobafett on May 9, 2013 6:52:20 GMT 1
One might say the fans are strangling the club or it could be said the club are bleeding the fans dry.
For the sake of about £1 a game for an adult there is not much to tempt people to stump up in advance as there is no massive saving.
At a time when so many people are struggling financially and having to make domestic savings it is clear that for most season tickets are a luxury that is hard to justify if it is not offering great value for money.
With the removal of family packages the club are at risk of pushing people with kids away for good as they are being priced out of attending.
Many of our rivals will offer family deals and even free child tickets which will attract more people to the games as it offers good value for money.
Although for those that are happy to pay whatever the club asks of them without question I hope you enjoy the coming season from your Platinum seats!
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Post by LiviLion21 on May 9, 2013 8:58:28 GMT 1
To suggest that the cost means that any new supporter is unlikely to part with some moolah is a non-argument. When the club put forward a good idea last season that would have seen folk get discounted ST's had the community came out and snapped them up, it didn't work because no-one is interested.
As far as I'm concerned, if the club had knocked £20 off them and made it £230, it wouldn't have impacted the sales at all. An increase of £20 from last season but I'll get another two games for my money aswell as a few weeks in the Lothian Lotto. Given that I'd have stumped up for both the friendly and the cup game anyway, I'm quite happy to call it £20 extra to have them included.
If you can't afford it, you can't afford it. The club have dropped the PATG entrance price so it'll be cheaper for you to make the games you can.
Folk who want to buy a season ticket will. Others can whine and moan about it £13.50 a game, given the current costs across the board, isn't too bad.
Lets not kid ourselves, if LFC decided to sell the seaon tickets at a tenner a head, we'd still be lucky to shift anymore than 1500.
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