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Post by livikeith on Apr 6, 2013 9:20:02 GMT 1
I do not know if I am being silly and it is the sight of the sun in the sky but I feel really hopeful and positive for the rest of the season and for the future.
I think we actually have a good group of players, albeit they need to be signed up and bolstered for next season, and an excellent new management team. We actually have a board that cares, even though they are not always appreciated, and are here for the long term.
I think that we should all try to persuade at least one extra person to come along next saturday for the £5 game and lets get through the 2,500 barrier and show the country that Football can be made to pay at a lower entry price.
The future is bright. I really mean it. Livi are going places. Upwards (and I am not on drink or drugs!!!)
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Post by Pedro on Apr 6, 2013 10:00:12 GMT 1
The Partick, Dunfermline and Falkirk games have really knocked the stuffing out of us, I feel, so it'll be a good test for Burke and Burchill to get things back on track v Dumbarton today.
I think they're still on a decent run of form so I reckon it's safe to say that there will be goals.
At what end though? Both, probably.
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Post by Auldnick on Apr 6, 2013 14:42:35 GMT 1
Not sure where our goals will come from today though
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Post by fourfourtwo on Apr 6, 2013 20:00:39 GMT 1
The future is indeed bright - goals from two of our younger guys mullen and lander! Good to see donaldson and downie get some game time too!
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Post by LiviLion21 on Apr 6, 2013 20:01:10 GMT 1
Not sure where our goals will come from today though Our strikers ;D ...and Watson of course. |
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Post by Auldnick on Apr 7, 2013 23:09:15 GMT 1
Certainly didn't see that result or the scorers in my crystal ball....very big welcome to young Lander! Given the difficulty with which we have dealt with Dumbarton in the last couple of games this result was a big surprise & the source of goals even more so. Well done to the team, especially the goalscorers & the management for having the stones to give Lander his debut & to continue with the 3 at the back which was so good against Falkirk for the first half & so disappointing in the 2nd when it fell apart.
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Post by The Villager on Apr 8, 2013 19:18:32 GMT 1
It was encouraging to see us get a result on Saturday with a load of players out.
It's funny but a bit of adversity can provide an opportunity - I think the transfer embargo we had a few seasons ago (when Mark Proctor was manager) helped to bring young players like Keaghan Jacobs and Cammy MacDonald through.
Maybe our injury problems just now will give some other young lads a chance to show what they can do as the season closes.
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Post by LiviLion21 on Apr 11, 2013 16:57:02 GMT 1
Seen the other thread about the contracts and makes you think that it's probably more than worthwhile to give the young boys these last few games to bleed them in and give them the chance to fight for 3rd place.
A place to fight for and if the younger boys are on longer contracts, a chance to push for a regular place in the first team next season. Real chance just now for guys like Mullen, Gray, Lander, Donaldson etc to get some minutes under their belt.
Interesting to see how Burke and Burchill do things in the last few games.
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Post by Mr Angry on Apr 11, 2013 18:09:18 GMT 1
Little and Large in the dug-out had better not flood the team with bairns because I'm not paying £17 to watch boys fitbaw!
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Post by Papa Shango on Apr 12, 2013 15:18:17 GMT 1
Little and Large in the dug-out had better not flood the team with bairns because I'm not paying £17 to watch boys fitbaw! There's nothing to say the younger lads aren't just as capable as the older guys though Mr Angry. You've got to start somewhere. Dorrans, Snodgrass, Halliday, Griffiths, Davidson - these guys were all youngsters breaking through at one point remember  |
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Post by livimoaner on Apr 16, 2013 12:26:04 GMT 1
There are bigger things that will affect our future than trying out some young players.
The game is in free-fall and none of the guys in power can see the warnings on the wall.
While they all bicker about a non existent restructure, attendance is down, we have less Scots in decent teams, transfer fees are virtually non existent and our national team cannot qualify for a rounders tournament, (although that was to change by bringing in a chest thumping coaching team lol)
Until the deep routed structural and cultural issues are sorted in the game, I think it would be best for our club to go into a hibernation state, cover costs as best as possible and forget buying in named players etc.
Next season will be just as disappointing but worse the following year with Rangers on the move everyone will be playing second fiddle.
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Post by Mutter on Apr 18, 2013 8:50:51 GMT 1
Little and Large in the dug-out had better not flood the team with bairns because I'm not paying £17 to watch boys fitbaw! There's nothing to say the younger lads aren't just as capable as the older guys though Mr Angry. You've got to start somewhere. Dorrans, Snodgrass, Halliday, Griffiths, Davidson - these guys were all youngsters breaking through at one point remember These guys were all bled into a squad with a lot of experience at this level. Playing a team of youngsters won't win us the title next season. Yes by all means being them in to the squad and give them a game, but filling the team full of them will get us nowhere. Also people moan about the prices at the vale at the moment and that's with a team if experienced players, I can't see many people paying £17 to watch a youth team. |
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Post by Papa Shango on Apr 18, 2013 9:33:08 GMT 1
Is the aim to win the title though? It has already been said that although we won't be going part-time next season, we'll need to cut costs right across the board so with that in mind, I can only assume that will include cutting the wages we pay so in turn, the quality of player 'experienced' player we can afford will be narrowed down and we'll be reliant on youth.
In this day and age at a club like ours, I don't think we have any choice but to turn to youth. Stefan Scougall has the potential to be one of the most talented players this club has ever had. I've heard neutrals say they came along to our games just to see him. He wasn't a player with experience that we went and brought in, he was someone playing in our youth team that we stuck in the first-team squad and he's arguably our best player.
For me, it's not solely about winning the league. It's about the club managing it's debt/budget accordingly. If that means we're having to stick to using youth players and floating about the bottom half of the first division then so be it. We've seen the damage caused by spending what we don't have.
Folk aren't coming to the games as it is and you're saying we're already using experienced players so we've got nothing to lose by playing the youngsters.
Falkirk are sitting around the same position as us with a team made up mainly of youth players. They've developed youngsters, bled them into the team then shifted them on for good money. While doing so, they kept up the push for third place in the league and were minutes away from a Scottish cup final - a fine example of youth working well and they get better attendances than us.
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Post by livimoaner on Apr 18, 2013 10:42:54 GMT 1
If the powers that be had seen sense, teams like us would be in an expanded top flight.
That has advantages for us as there should be higher average attendances.
What the teams currently in the SPL dont see is the advantages for themselves.
This is because those advantages are of a longer term nature and short-term ism is rife there.
The lower teams do so because of the lack of security in a small league, always looking over their shoulder at relegation.
Celtic does not want it as it will increase the chance of other teams being competitive.
But if teams like ours are to have a long term future, we need to be playing against a division of full time sides, 12 12 18, does not provide a guarantee of this, just a possibility and how can you plan a season with that level of uncertainty.
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Post by Gregory's Girl on Apr 18, 2013 19:52:53 GMT 1
I don't know what the best leagues set up would be but does anyone know who we have in contract for next season? A lot of players could leave if theyre not signed up!
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Post by livilion1987 on Apr 18, 2013 21:18:18 GMT 1
I don't know what the best leagues set up would be but does anyone know who we have in contract for next season? A lot of players could leave if theyre not signed up! Looks like we only have 3 players defo signed at the moment Keegs Scougall and Donaldson |
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Post by JonnyBeGood on Apr 19, 2013 8:15:23 GMT 1
Not even a five a sides team then. Looking like it will be a really young team next season.
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Post by The Villager on Apr 20, 2013 23:29:38 GMT 1
Next season is looking like being a transitional one for us I'd say. It could be that we'll take a step backwards to move forwards with the likes of Jamieson and Donaldson coming through and becoming regulars.
One thing is for sure is that it will have to be a cheaper team than this season with crowds going down and all this uncertainty with league reconstruction.
It's at these times that supporters need to support. There's far too much negativity surrounding the club at the moment which considering our league position seems a bit harsh to me.
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Post by livimoaner on Apr 22, 2013 12:37:40 GMT 1
The villager makes some good points.
Little things can make a big difference to our club.
Try having you pre match r after match beer in one of the clubs bars.
Buy a half time draw ticket.
Treat yourself or a relative to a hospitality package.
Pay for parking at the ground.
It is amazing how many will be critiquing the quality of football we play now but drink elsewhere and park at the local school or bowling club to avoid the fee.
People like Pedro will be able to testify to the quality of service one gets when using the venues for parties etc, and it is that sort of spend the club needs.
If you spend £6 on drink before the game is that £6 not better spent in your club?
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Post by livimoaner on Apr 23, 2013 14:43:48 GMT 1
Every year we talk about bringing in players and how that can strengthen the team.
I would be interested in strengthening the collective whole.
Maybe having part of our coaching team in Spain for an extended period?
Making our marketing team more effective with suitable CPD opportunities?
Even upping the skills of our volunteers somehow.
Some cost will be involved but the long term benefits for the club could outweigh that.
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