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Post by idontbelieveit on Mar 7, 2013 17:25:55 GMT 1
I don't believe that the contributors to livilions.co.uk have not been up in arms about the closure of the boards.
I always thought we lived in a democracy which meant that we had a right to free speech within normal bounds.
Criticising the current board should not be a precursor to shutting down the board.
Who made this decision and why?
Did the current board influence this decision?
If so they should be ashamed as they are acting in a manner no better than the past incumbents.
Or have I missed something?
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Post by LiviLion21 on Mar 7, 2013 18:00:27 GMT 1
Couldn't tell you the last time I was on LiviLions but I doubt anyone 'Criticising the current board' was the reason it appears to have been taken down for the moment.
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Post by livifan1 on Mar 7, 2013 18:14:18 GMT 1
As far as I can gather, it was for persistently abusing the moderators. It was, however, very very negative so I gave it the hipsway quite a while ago. I want to talk fitba not gang up on people for whatever reason.
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Post by bawbag on Mar 7, 2013 21:59:13 GMT 1
I don't believe that the contributors to livilions.co.uk have not been up in arms about the closure of the boards. I always thought we lived in a democracy which meant that we had a right to free speech within normal bounds. Criticising the current board should not be a precursor to shutting down the board. Who made this decision and why? Did the current board influence this decision? If so they should be ashamed as they are acting in a manner no better than the past incumbents. Or have I missed something? Closing down that site will now encourage all the idiots over here now ...a tad silly I'd say |
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Post by Mango Fan on Mar 7, 2013 23:22:42 GMT 1
Whit's Has happened over there? Has he towel been chucked in?
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Post by greekqueen on Mar 7, 2013 23:31:20 GMT 1
not happy about this, missing my daily log in, it isn't the same here
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Post by Inch Lion on Mar 8, 2013 0:18:18 GMT 1
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Post by livimoaner on Mar 8, 2013 9:41:05 GMT 1
hello.
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Post by livimoaner on Mar 8, 2013 9:52:37 GMT 1
I don't believe that the contributors to livilions.co.uk have not been up in arms about the closure of the boards. I always thought we lived in a democracy which meant that we had a right to free speech within normal bounds. Criticising the current board should not be a precursor to shutting down the board. Who made this decision and why? Did the current board influence this decision? If so they should be ashamed as they are acting in a manner no better than the past incumbents. Or have I missed something? After the Mods chucked their collective toys out of the pram, without giving notice or suitable warning, the site was closed. Some people did contact the club. others contacted the trust member of the board. They have informed me that the replies were dismissive, one saying that the club did not see it as their problem. There are others saying that the move was done to force people into using this board. |
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Post by livifan1 on Mar 8, 2013 10:04:26 GMT 1
Is all this pish going to start up again here now?
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Post by The Lions' Den on Mar 8, 2013 10:38:03 GMT 1
Is all this pish going to start up again here now? No. No it's not. When the admin of that site chose to direct users to this site it was a decision made entirely of their own volition. Whatever ongoing issues that site may or may not have had will not be played out here. |
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Post by livifan1 on Mar 8, 2013 10:41:54 GMT 1
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Post by livifan1 on Mar 8, 2013 11:46:40 GMT 1
A wee bird tells me it's coming back. Not 100% sure though. But I'm pretty sure it's been on the go longer than 8 years?
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Post by livimoaner on Mar 8, 2013 11:49:21 GMT 1
Magoo
A fair statement.
Not all people using that forum were of the same deportment, but all received the same , how you say, punishment, leastways treatment.
The work the administrators put in to establish and make that board viable is still appreciated, as is the fact that they may have grown away from, got tired of or had no more time for running it, and as you say they may have needed to hand over.
As you say its a shame its gone/ not in use.
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Post by bawbag on Mar 9, 2013 8:33:20 GMT 1
Theirs also a chance that some Livi supporters that can't make games anymore may drift away as its their only way to keep up with Livi gossip on the livilions web, theirs not that many of left as it is can we afford to lose anymore ?
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Post by Auldnick on Mar 9, 2013 12:07:26 GMT 1
The initial comment on the closure was a tad childish but the updated one pointing to this site has at least extended an invitation. Originally I didn't think there was a need for a new forum, after all isn't a forum about free discussion where all opinions are valid? - even when they're wrong  - Just maybe though this new forum is about giving everyone a fresh start....some of the arguments on livilions were too personal & lets face it there aren't enough Livi fans around for us to be at each other's throats. That said, if livilions does receive a reprieve then that's ok too. |
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Post by idontbelieveit on Mar 9, 2013 12:31:13 GMT 1
Magoo A fair statement. Not all people using that forum were of the same deportment, but all received the same , how you say, punishment, leastways treatment. The work the administrators put in to establish and make that board viable is still appreciated, as is the fact that they may have grown away from, got tired of or had no more time for running it, and as you say they may have needed to hand over. As you say its a shame its gone/ not in use. Surly the proper course of action was the Administrators to resign if they had a problem and let others take over. If nobody wants to take over then the board would have to close. The Administrators do not own the board therefore it should not be there decison to close it down. Put it back on line and lets discuss the problem, like adults. There is nothing to be gained by closing down, for some fans, the only way to keep up to date with what is happening to Livingston FC. Unfortunately the offical site is not updated that often. as far as I can see the last update was 18 hours ago. On a wet Saturday morning I want to read about the state of the Raith pitch, Is the game on? Is there a pitch inspection? |
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Post by spm561 on Mar 9, 2013 19:46:20 GMT 1
A quick whois domain search indicates that the registered owner of livilions.co.uk is a Andrew Miller.
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Post by The Lions' Den on Mar 9, 2013 20:06:45 GMT 1
The indication is that www.livilions.co.uk will be coming back soon, and with that in mind, all further discussion as to the whys and wherefore of what's happened in the past and what may happen in the future should be kept for there when it's back online. It's appreciated that the temporary removal of the site is an emotive subject for many but the Admin of www.thelionsden.co, as has previously been stated, have no wish for whatever ongoing issues that site may or may not have had to be played out here. It's hoped you can respect this request. In the meantime, thanks for your continued patronage here at The Lions Den! www.thelionsden.cowww.livifc.boards.net |
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Post by Dov on Mar 10, 2013 11:42:13 GMT 1
It's been closed due to continuous personal abuse towards mods and admin, no one to blame but people involved.
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Post by idontbelieveit on Mar 10, 2013 15:43:28 GMT 1
It's been closed due to continuous personal abuse towards mods and admin, no one to blame but people involved. Sticks, stones, dummies and prams all come to mind. If the administrators are ALL of the opinion that the "abuse" has gone over what would be acceptable to the viewing public then they are at liberty to take the offending items off the boards and even ban, completly or temporarily ban the offenders. Not to close the boards! Why should the majority suffer because of a few mindless individuals. |
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Post by The Lions' Den on Mar 10, 2013 15:46:10 GMT 1
Okay. Third time. The issues that site may or may not have had will not be played out here. Keep that stuff for when that it's back online. Thank-you.
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Post by durnford on Mar 15, 2013 1:00:54 GMT 1
I apologise to the administrator for dragging this up again when it plainly has nothing to do with this site; however I feel there are some salient points that need to be covered.
As previously mentioned the LiviLions boards have been running for possibly 12 years now; however prior to that the club was represented on the “Rivals” forum. At that time I think there were three administrators who I believe were Dave; Andrew Miller and Alasdair McNeil (sorry if I got the spelling wrong).
When “Rivals” dropped the Scottish leagues from their network Andrew and Alasdair created the LiviLions board. This was not a free service and the administrators had to spread their time in an admin role as well as fund raising etc. to keep the service running. I think I’m right in saying that for about the last 10 years Andrew Miller has been able to dedicate less and less time in managing the site and the mantle has almost exclusively fallen to Alasdair. It should be noted that the role of site administrator holds considerably more responsibility than a moderator; the administrators can indeed be personally liable for any libellous or criminal activity on the site and is not a role that should be taken on lightly.
For the past decade plus Alasdair has shouldered this responsibility without complaint (well not much) and the only payment he gets is the gratification that he is still involved with the club he loves even though he no longer lives in the area.
I deeply regret the closing of the LiviLions site but feel that ongoing criticism of the administrator’s action is a little churlish and unreasonable particularly when you consider that many of us (myself included) were willing to accept the sites facilities free of charge for so many years.
It has been suggested that the site should have been kept open whilst the search for replacement administrators is made; as previously mentions would these “replacements” have been willing to take on the financial and legal implications as well and that before you start thinking about the commitment in time which must be considerable. I appreciate many people are upset by the closing of the site but, at the end of the day, nothing lasts forever.
I again apologise for stating what must be obvious to many; also to dragging Alasdair’s name into this when the guy’s is big enough and ugly enough (fact) to fight his own battles but preferred to take a more dignified stance.
Thanks for all your efforts and time over the past 15+ years CDE.
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