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Post by Livi News on Mar 1, 2013 11:08:21 GMT 1
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Post by Inch Lion on Mar 1, 2013 11:09:11 GMT 1
FFS am i being stupid is that not the reason why we have a fan on the board to bring transparency to the fans again maybe others see it in another view, but don't see that happening. i do see that the clubs 'party' line is upheld tho.
This is the selling point of being part of the Trust and having someone there hearing it from the horses mouth. i am not saying they need to give every detail, but there is NO balance in the level of transparency towards the fans.
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Post by mclivi on Mar 1, 2013 12:17:03 GMT 1
I'm disappointed that John Colins has left but not really surprised about Gareth. It's seemed to me that something has been lacking in the squad over the last couple of games and presumably things have not been right behind closed doors. Personally I look at the investment in both time and money the current Board have put in to the club taking us from administration and the third division to fourth in the first division, not too shabby for a Board who are greeted with howls of derision every time they make a major decision. Employment legislation will preclude the release of the details of Gareth's sacking and I wouldn't want anything said that might hinder his prospects of future employment.
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Post by Inch Lion on Mar 1, 2013 12:37:54 GMT 1
Whats not been right - do you know?  It was only 2 games and one of them we drew , but we lost 4 nil to Pars earlier in the season that was a much lower point in something not being right in the squad. I don't think for 1 minute the fans were expecting a blow by blow account, but a wee bit of transparency wouldn't go a miss. Have the board actually invested or have they just loaned the club the money? I don't know the answer, but someone else may? |
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Post by Inch Lion on Mar 1, 2013 13:49:20 GMT 1
I have alot of time for the views of Orco & the posts this lady makes on LiviLions  |
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Post by stadio on Mar 1, 2013 13:54:38 GMT 1
Reality check needed folks.
I'll make a few points;
The board will not have made this decision lightly given the ongoing search for a sponsor knowing full well this would compromise that search. The Livi 5 have invested a lot of their own money, none of which they have received back, into the club. They're not stupid people & this decision will have been most carefully thought over and at great length.
The decision was taken for the on-going stability of the club despite what others may think. Rumours are that the dressing room was well & truly lost. Had the board done nothing about this & sacrificed the team in order to make it easier to get a few more bucks in from sponsorship, they would've been derided for this course of action.
On the face of it, as a club we have been on an upwards curve since the new board took over despite managerial comings and goings. I might also add that with the notable exception of Hamilton, we are really no different from most other 1st Division Clubs in the last 4 years. That's football. We are close to going into 3rd spot this Saturday, not many thought that realistic at the start of the season.
One point that should be made; the bland club statement is poor. Nobody at the club has a degree in public relations so maybe our expectations are too high but they could've done better. As a member of the Supporters Trust Board, I will be making this point very clearly and I fully expect it to be brought up at board level at the club. As you all know, whether you want to admit it or not, the club will never be able to admit to the real reasons behind anyone's departure for obvious legal reasons. However, a short video clip from Ged or Gordon on the OS, reaffirming their backing of the club and the direction we are heading in would go along way to reassuring any doubters. I mean, FFS, some folk are saying it's a financial problem thing. That needs nipped in the bud straight away.
One thing's for sure, on Saturday; our team take to the field with a very real chance of going 3rd top. They need our 100% backing and I expect you all to be there doing that if you can attend. Here's one for you though, I would like to see the unequivocal support for a board of directors that put unfeasible amounts of their own money and time into a club we all love. They deserve far more than a chorus of mindless "sack the board" comments. That's just stupid.
As a Trust Board member, I'm more than happy to talk to anyone on Saturday. Face to face is always easier.
'Mon the Livi.
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Post by Gregory's Girl on Mar 1, 2013 13:54:44 GMT 1
Does john Collins throwing his toys out the pram now mean that the Barca strip plan for next season will get dumped too? He was the front man for Adidas was he not?  |
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Post by Gregory's Girl on Mar 1, 2013 13:57:53 GMT 1
Reality check needed folks. They deserve far more than a chorus of mindless "sack the board" comments. That's just stupid. 'Mon the Livi. Agreed!! Well said! |
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Post by Pedro on Mar 1, 2013 14:10:27 GMT 1
I think that it's highly likely that the board will be given a rough time tomorrow. The angry mob are into over drive on this without knowing a single fact other than the clubs vague statement. But that's all it takes for some folk to utterly lose the plot and to start whipping others into a frenzy with repetitious outlandish statements of treating fans with contempt, not acting in the bests interests of the club, moving the club to Lanark and being on the brink of administration, again. Of course, not a single one of these (and more) angry assertions are based in fact. I do, though, wish the club would issue another, definitive, statement, at least for the sake of clarity, on just why GE was sacked. That way we'll all be in the picture. Not that that would stop the shouty angry mob from banging on and on and on and on though, of course.  |
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Post by Inch Lion on Mar 1, 2013 14:19:43 GMT 1
Fair points stadio and you hit the nail on the head - communication is key for supporters & it has lacked for a long time other than talking to people in the know down in Almondvale way.
We have got more from you on these boards than the fan who actually sits on the board. I don't see what you have said/posted would upset anyone on the board either (i.e there are no secrets in your post). So the question is why not have a message like your's from the guy that represents the fan's and that would have gone a long way calming supporters' fears, etc.
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Post by stadio on Mar 1, 2013 14:58:29 GMT 1
That's a bit unfair. Dave's pulled from pillar to post on this & to be perfectly honest, I think he's shown remarkable restraint in terms of some of the ludicrous comments that have been made. Have you read Facebook???
I am certain that what will come out of this will be a better model of communication between fans and the club. To be fair, there shouldn't be a them and an us & if more fans engaged with the club by turning up at POTY functions, joining the Trust there would be less of a barrier and easier modes of communication. But that's not a criticism of the fans. As a Trust we need to work much harder at communicating and encouraging engagement.
What everyone needs to remember is that the board are not paid for what they do. It's all volunteer work. There are only a handful of fulltime staff at the club, none of whom are celebrated masters of PR and media relations. Would it be wise to employ those that are? Nope, I'd far rather we had another Andreu on the pitch. We aren't a Manchester United and they have their share of PR disasters.
Let's rein in our expectations and back our club.
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Post by Inch Lion on Mar 1, 2013 15:47:59 GMT 1
The Trust is not going to be all things to all people, but I saw some posts yesterday that were just taking the party line, which from a transparency perspective is not an ideal position from a fans perspective.
I appreciate you are defending the club to a certain perspective & I totally get that, but we have agreed communication needs to be better (especially when key events happen like this) between the people who make decisions at the club and the people who support the club & all I am saying is having a fan on the board was supposed to go some way in addressing that position in these situations & what we can see is it hasn’t really helped. I am not sure that’s an unfair observation??
It’s great that the board do all this work for nothing, but they do get kudos from time to time and it’s not all doom & gloom.
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Post by Hack258 on Mar 1, 2013 16:21:33 GMT 1
Edinburgh Capitals play at the weekend too....I'm sure you will all have a great time Remember that old saying...through thick and thin?! |
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Post by stadio on Mar 1, 2013 17:02:10 GMT 1
The Trust is not going to be all things to all people, but I saw some posts yesterday that were just taking the party line, which from a transparency perspective is not an ideal position from a fans perspective. I appreciate you are defending the club to a certain perspective & I totally get that, but we have agreed communication needs to be better (especially when key events happen like this) between the people who make decisions at the club and the people who support the club & all I am saying is having a fan on the board was supposed to go some way in addressing that position in these situations & what we can see is it hasn’t really helped. I am not sure that’s an unfair observation??It’s great that the board do all this work for nothing, but they do get kudos from time to time and it’s not all doom & gloom. I can't really argue with your perception of that. It's sometimes very hard to be able to publicise some of these things. Dave's role isn't to report back on everything that's happening. It's to ensure that fans views are represented and I'm certain he's well on the ball with that. As a club we definitely benefit from his input. I'd bet if the Trust held a meeting tomorrow asking fans to attend, there would be a poor attendance. Over the course of the season, it's been clear that communication is becoming an issue. I'm certain this will be addressed & being honest, if that's our biggest problem, we can count ourselves lucky. Do you fancy a bit of Vincent Tan? New red home kits? |
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Post by Gregory's Girl on Mar 1, 2013 17:46:50 GMT 1
Do you fancy a bit of Vincent Tan? New red home kits? Just as long as the promised Barca strips arrive before the summer holidays will be enough, thanks.  |
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Post by sims on Mar 1, 2013 17:49:43 GMT 1
Do you fancy a bit of Vincent Tan? New red home kits? The Lanarkshire Leopards has got a bit of a ring to it |
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Post by Pedro on Mar 1, 2013 17:58:40 GMT 1
The Lanarkshire Leopards has got a bit of a ring to it Got anything to back this up? Anything at all? |
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Post by sims on Mar 1, 2013 18:12:29 GMT 1
The Lanarkshire Leopards has got a bit of a ring to it Got anything to back this up? Anything at all? Back what up? That I took one of the nonsense statements that you claimed had been made in your earlier post and combined it with the story that Vincent Tan was considering changing Cardiff City's name to Cardiff Dragons in an, evidently failed, attempt at lightening the mood. I'll not bother in future. |
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Post by Pedro on Mar 1, 2013 18:22:17 GMT 1
Here's the nonsense statement in question I "claimed" had been made in my earlier post. It was made on facebook. Ian Gillies - i have been told that livi are moving to lanark Sorry, your attempt at lightening the mood went right over my head. Christ knows we could be doing with a laugh right now! |
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Post by Mango Fan on Mar 1, 2013 23:54:44 GMT 1
Awwww man what have I missed been on holidays for a few weeks?
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Post by Legless Giorgio Romano on Mar 2, 2013 12:42:00 GMT 1
Evans and Collins? Badda bing! Slap dat ugly-ass gabbagul!
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Post by The Villager on Mar 3, 2013 16:26:29 GMT 1
I suppose we'll find out on Thursday night what the story was, although all the rumours are pointing to unhappy players one way or another.
The club might have saved themselves a bit of criticism if they had announced the forum at the same time as the statement about the manager being sacked.
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Post by LiviLion21 on Mar 5, 2013 23:55:23 GMT 1
At least a forum has been arranged - could have been worse without it. Hopefully all those hammering the club over social media outlets on Thursday/Friday will head along and ask for answers rather than spouting made up guff forever.
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