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Post by toughatthetop on May 15, 2016 8:21:03 GMT 1
Looking at our new signing on main website good luck to the lad but signing because he looked good in training ? When and where did we see him play ?
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Post by cterry103 on May 15, 2016 13:02:37 GMT 1
Well if we only half 14-15 players signed up, he's a good addition.
Hope he's given a chance. Unlike what we did with Gibbons
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Post by edinlivi on May 15, 2016 15:36:31 GMT 1
Surely signing a player indicates two things: - The management approve of the signing, therefore the club fully intend on keeping the current management moving into next season.
- We know whether we will be FT or PT next season. Surely if signing a contract, the player has to know what basis we will be operating on next season.
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Post by colcal on May 15, 2016 16:14:01 GMT 1
The FT or PT issue doesn't necessarily become clearer as a result because some clubs have a mixture of FT and PT players. However, it must mean that the Board has decided to keep David Hopkin on as manager. The only other conclusion could be that the players are signed without the manager's input, which would seem bizarre (also bizarre for a player to agree to come without knowing who the manager is).
However, either way, it would be great to hear some news from the club.
They'll be desperate to get the season ticket prices out to fans so that they can establish the size of the core support.
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Post by edinlivi on May 15, 2016 16:41:56 GMT 1
The FT or PT issue doesn't necessarily become clearer as a result because some clubs have a mixture of FT and PT players. However, it must mean that the Board has decided to keep David Hopkin on as manager. The only other conclusion could be that the players are signed without the manager's input, which would seem bizarre (also bizarre for a player to agree to come without knowing who the manager is). However, either way, it would be great to hear some news from the club. They'll be desperate to get the season ticket prices out to fans so that they can establish the size of the core support. What teams operate with a mixture of PT and FT? I don't see the benefit in doing that; surely the primary benefit of being FT is the increased cohesion in the team, as they train with each other on a daily basis. |
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Post by Auldnick on May 15, 2016 19:44:34 GMT 1
Increased cohesion? Really? Did you see that from our mob compared to the PT teams in the season just ended?
I suspect now that we know that Stranraer are amongst our opponents next season rather than Ayr, the club will now finalise its budget and determine ST costs.
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Post by colcal on May 15, 2016 22:11:56 GMT 1
The FT or PT issue doesn't necessarily become clearer as a result because some clubs have a mixture of FT and PT players. However, it must mean that the Board has decided to keep David Hopkin on as manager. The only other conclusion could be that the players are signed without the manager's input, which would seem bizarre (also bizarre for a player to agree to come without knowing who the manager is). However, either way, it would be great to hear some news from the club. They'll be desperate to get the season ticket prices out to fans so that they can establish the size of the core support. What teams operate with a mixture of PT and FT? I don't see the benefit in doing that; surely the primary benefit of being FT is the increased cohesion in the team, as they train with each other on a daily basis. Lots of examples. Dumbarton had a part time squad with loan full time loan players. Cowdenbeath had a mixture - including Keiron Gibbons, who trained with us all week during the day and went to play with Cowdenbeath at weekends. Kent Deuchar was part time with us when we were otherwise full time. Some Alloa players were full time even though the majority of the squad was full time. Lots of examples. In any case, Livi being full time was no advantage over Stranraer in two games and over Dumbarton across 36 games. Fitness is probably not different between PT and FT teams - because they probably do the same amount of fitness work over the week. Where FT should have an advantage is over organisation and coordination on the pitch. That wasn't the case this season for us. So why not? If Hopkin is staying, I'd like to see us having double sessions all week - fitness and planning. Why can we not take corners or throw ins effectively? Why can our keeper not kick the ball oroperly? Why can we not execute an offside trap? Why do we never score free kicks? Part time teams do all of those things against us.........so maybe they worry less about ice baths and statistics, and simply focus on doing things with (and without) the ball in training. |
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Post by edinlivi on May 15, 2016 22:38:52 GMT 1
Increased cohesion? Really? Did you see that from our mob compared to the PT teams in the season just ended? I suspect now that we know that Stranraer are amongst our opponents next season rather than Ayr, the club will now finalise its budget and determine ST costs. I never said that was apparent from watching Livingston, I merely stated that was the intended benefit. |
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Post by edinlivi on May 15, 2016 22:46:59 GMT 1
Lots of examples. Dumbarton had a part time squad with loan full time loan players. Cowdenbeath had a mixture - including Keiron Gibbons, who trained with us all week during the day and went to play with Cowdenbeath at weekends. Kent Deuchar was part time with us when we were otherwise full time. Some Alloa players were full time even though the majority of the squad was full time. Lots of examples. In any case, Livi being full time was no advantage over Stranraer in two games and over Dumbarton across 36 games. Fitness is probably not different between PT and FT teams - because they probably do the same amount of fitness work over the week. Where FT should have an advantage is over organisation and coordination on the pitch. That wasn't the case this season for us. So why not? If Hopkin is staying, I'd like to see us having double sessions all week - fitness and planning. Why can we not take corners or throw ins effectively? Why can our keeper not kick the ball oroperly? Why can we not execute an offside trap? Why do we never score free kicks? Part time teams do all of those things against us.........so maybe they worry less about ice baths and statistics, and simply focus on doing things with (and without) the ball in training. Ahh, but that's slightly different to having signed FT players with PT players. I was aware of how FT loanees operate at part time clubs; they generally still train with their parent team. In the Alloa example you give, do you mean to say that a small portion of the team train everyday whilst the bulk of the team perhaps train twice a week, in the evening? I agree with what you are saying, though. I don't think that fitness is going to deviate greatly between FT and PT, as I'd guess that FT teams don't actually do an awful lot of fitness work in training. Where we should be benefiting is tactically. We should be able to pass the ball better, take better set pieces and be on the whole more organised. However, as has been apparent over the season - we seem to reap no benefit of operating at FT status. It was clear to me that Dumbarton were not at a disadvantage to us in any of our games against them. |
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Post by Auldnick on May 16, 2016 6:45:08 GMT 1
Increased cohesion? Really? Did you see that from our mob compared to the PT teams in the season just ended? I suspect now that we know that Stranraer are amongst our opponents next season rather than Ayr, the club will now finalise its budget and determine ST costs. I never said that was apparent from watching Livingston, I merely stated that was the intended benefit. While I never said you did say it about Livi, merely stated Livi as "proof" of the opposite being true. As has been said a few times PT players probably get as much fitness training as FT; the rest comes down to skill and practicing those skills.... I bet we didn't have anyone staying back after training to practice free kicks, corners, improving their weaker foot etc. If those skills aren't practiced then there really is no advantage. Our last two seasons have shown us to struggle against PT teams, why is that the case? Is it underestimation of the opposition? That should only happen once. Which means then that either our FT players aren't as skilled or as fit as the opposition and/or the coaching/training isn't good enough. |
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Post by toughatthetop on May 16, 2016 13:03:45 GMT 1
I think what really needs to be decided is can we afford wages  Answer is no and these clowns are getting between £200-£500 per week now may not sound a lot of money but put them all on £100 and give them goal and win bonuses we may even get them out the Badgers in Broxburn the night before a game |
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Answer is no and these clowns are getting between £200-£500 per week now may not sound a lot of money but put them all on £100 and give them goal and win bonuses we may even get them out the Badgers in Broxburn the night before a game