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Post by jonsnow on Apr 6, 2016 19:25:00 GMT 1
Same here Orco, Ref was giving us it then changed his mind after going by the Linesman, he should only be giving it if he's sure and so he should've stuck with his original decision. We've had offsides and penalties given against us when they were blatantly wrong, at least this one was so close nobody would've actually complained about us getting it.
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Post by Auldnick on Apr 6, 2016 20:37:34 GMT 1
No apologies from me. Refs and linos don't have slow mo and 3 different camera angles. With the speed of play and the fact that it was so close to Sheerin taking a possible goal scoring shot there is no way those officials could be sure. In the spirit of the game, Livi should have had the benefit of the doubt but as we have seen on countless occasions this season that was never going to happen. Can't agree Orco, sorry. Lineo got it dead right, they can't give a pen if they are not 100% sure; Lineo stood his ground and the right decision was made. I was 100% certain he was wrong but he had the best view looking right along the 18 yard line and while I was sure it was in the box on Saturday, even the closest angle to my own vantage point shows it happened outside the box. I don't like it but the right decision was reached...that said I'd have been laughing like crazy if they had given the pen and then saw the footage. |
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Post by Auldnick on Apr 6, 2016 20:40:12 GMT 1
Same here Orco, Ref was giving us it then changed his mind after going by the Linesman, he should only be giving it if he's sure and so he should've stuck with his original decision. We've had offsides and penalties given against us when they were blatantly wrong, at least this one was so close nobody would've actually complained about us getting it. Nope JS can't agree with you either. The Lineo is there to help the ref reach the right decision. We all complain regularly that the Lineo hasn't helped the ref so we can't now whinge that he did help, especially when he was right. |
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Post by Pedro on Apr 6, 2016 21:47:55 GMT 1
The linesman got it right.
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Post by jonsnow on Apr 7, 2016 14:31:30 GMT 1
Same here Orco, Ref was giving us it then changed his mind after going by the Linesman, he should only be giving it if he's sure and so he should've stuck with his original decision. We've had offsides and penalties given against us when they were blatantly wrong, at least this one was so close nobody would've actually complained about us getting it. Nope JS can't agree with you either. The Lineo is there to help the ref reach the right decision. We all complain regularly that the Lineo hasn't helped the ref so we can't now whinge that he did help, especially when he was right. We'll disagree then, we keep hearing the ref should only give a penalty if he's 100% sure it was one, he indicated it was a pen then changed his mind after the linesman stuck his flag up, he should have been strong and stuck with his decision. Bloody joke too with Linesmen, most of the time they wont even indicate which way a throw in goes till they see the ref telling them, just our blooming luck he decides to intervene for our penalty decision. I'm not arguing the decision of it not being inside the box was correct, just the ref had no place giving it to us in the first place when he wasn't sure enough to stick to his decision, that shows the ref up as being weak and poor at his job. Lack of consistency from officials is the biggest bug bear from fans, even if they get it wrong wouldn't be as bad if they consistently stuck to why they do things, but they don't. They'll give a card out for a push in the back and then two minutes later decide it doesn't merit a card when the opposition player does the same thing. Our luck sucks this season, the Hibs wonder goal is another one to kick us when we're down, just read it was a total fluke from Boyle, don't know what it is about us that we bring out these worldies from players. |
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Post by jonsnow on Apr 7, 2016 14:37:44 GMT 1
No apologies from me. Refs and linos don't have slow mo and 3 different camera angles. With the speed of play and the fact that it was so close to Sheerin taking a possible goal scoring shot there is no way those officials could be sure. In the spirit of the game, Livi should have had the benefit of the doubt but as we have seen on countless occasions this season that was never going to happen. Can't agree Orco, sorry. Lineo got it dead right, they can't give a pen if they are not 100% sure; Lineo stood his ground and the right decision was made. I was 100% certain he was wrong but he had the best view looking right along the 18 yard line and while I was sure it was in the box on Saturday, even the closest angle to my own vantage point shows it happened outside the box. I don't like it but the right decision was reached... that said I'd have been laughing like crazy if they had given the pen and then saw the footage.I wouldn't, I would be saying justice was done for their player taking Sheerin down to stop him scoring and get it right up them. |
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Post by Auldnick on Apr 7, 2016 20:04:57 GMT 1
But technically that wouldn't be justice...and he didn't stop him scoring, he denied him a goal scoring opportunity for which he was sent off. Sheerin might have scored or the keeper might have saved it or he might have rounded the keeper and lost his balance and missed the open goal, we'll never know because he denied him the opportunity.
I am very surprised that they got it right because I was certain they'd gotten it wrong but got it right they did and now I wish they had gotten it wrong.
And if you want to argue that the ref should stick to his decision because he had to be 100% certain to give it then there is absolutely no point in the Lineo doing anything except flag for offside and ball out of play. His role is to help the ref reach the correct decision and he did his job, we may not like it but those are the facts. And you can't argue that a Lineo hasn't done his job if he doesn't flag for a pen because by your own statement the ref has to be 100% sure himself.
Agree on the consistency point but again you can't complain about inconsistency when they get it right.
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