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Post by Auldnick on Dec 22, 2015 0:30:09 GMT 1
Dear god, it'll be David Hopkin then. Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo. He is gone as well, not yet been formally announced And you know this how? |
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Post by Auldnick on Dec 22, 2015 0:33:00 GMT 1
From where? I wasn't aware he'd gone anywhere? |
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Post by Auldnick on Dec 22, 2015 0:35:30 GMT 1
What's going to change with that nothing he's still got the same shite burchill has brought in The squad won't change before January if it even does then, so whoever comes in will have the same players at his disposal as Burchill...which by you're reaction is that it isn't good enough...in which case why bother changing the manager at all? |
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Post by jonsnow on Dec 22, 2015 1:25:53 GMT 1
What a short-sighted and ludicrous decision to have made. It's not as though Mark Burchill's successor will be able to do any meaningful business in the January window. People have short memories. He worked miracles last season under nearly impossible constraints. Kept up up despite the points deduction. Won a cup. His reward was to have his playing budget cut by 40% so that it was even lower than that of part-time Alloa. His hands were tied in the close season due to the transfer embargo. In those circumstances, it's a good achievement to be 9th in the league rather than bottom. We should be giving him a medal and a Christmas hamper rather than sacking him. Unbelievable. Thanks for all your efforts Mark. I appreciate it and wish you every success in future. I'd have agreed with you but not after the last two games, what I saw against Alloa and Dumbarton was relegation management. He'd totally lost it standing there looking on doing absolutely nothing to make changes to the game that would get us wins. What the hell was he doing putting on Mullen and keeping Buchanan on the bench, and to not even make any more substitutions after Mullen was just bamboozling. If for no other reason than stopping play to break it up and give our players a breather from the constant Dumbarton balls fired into our box. But no, he allowed Dumbarton to build up momentum and pile on the pressure until they scored.
He could see we were hitting balls up the pitch and it was coming back at us yet didn't put Buchanan on to chase them down, Buchanan came on against The Rangers and put enough pressure on their players to stop them building from the back and mounting attacks on us, Dumbarton aren't anywhere near the standard of The Rangers so he'd have easily affected the game against them and gave us an out ball.
Last season he did a superb job and deserves credit for that but you can't live off that forever, Decembers run of games against the teams around us was his chance to get us clear of Alloa and into 7th place but he blew it. |
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Post by bobafett on Dec 22, 2015 2:54:00 GMT 1
And so Dumbarton complete a somewhat unbelievable hat-trick of three opposition managers in three weeks. Whilst it is not good for us to discard yet another manager, the bottom line is that the results were just not coming and Burchill seems to have no masterplan to try and turn things around. Coming back from Saturday's dropping of two points I had a series of questions rolling about my head: - Why have only one tactic and never change even though everyone else can see it isn't working
- Why have Sheerin who has no pace as the lone player up the field at set pieces when you have Hippo on the bench who can run all day?
- Why have a bench of seven subs if you are only going to use one?
- Why have players like Moses on the books if you never have them in your squad?
- Why, barring injury or suspension, do the same players play week in week out without fear of being dropped?
Hopefully anybody coming in will be able to see things differently from Burchill and give us the spark we need to kick start survival rather than leaving it until the last few weeks and a reliance on others to help us out, and whilst the budget is not there to draft in new players perhaps by bringing in some of the guys currently frozen out we will get a similar benefit. I think also giving someone else half a season to affect a change rather than a few weeks will give us a better chance of staying up, as once again 8th is our target |
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Post by whitthe on Dec 22, 2015 9:00:49 GMT 1
For me this job is to big for him Too big? Pha ha ha. It's Livingston not Chelsea. |
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Post by liviman on Dec 22, 2015 13:17:44 GMT 1
For me this job is to big for him Too big? Pha ha ha. It's Livingston not Chelsea. Ture but he was a rookie manager and just didn't have plan b. i've heard rumours over a number of months he has been the laziest manager to have been at Livingston. |
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Post by gustav on Dec 22, 2015 13:31:08 GMT 1
Who do people want to replace Burchill if he does go? Back on the old LiviLions forum there was a recurring pattern of people saying "sack Hughes/Burke/McGlynn" As I said back on that forum who is available without compensation that would accept our salary and isn't past retirement age?
Gary Bollan.
Aw balls we're too late he's gone to Forfar.
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Post by gustav on Dec 22, 2015 13:36:47 GMT 1
Fans need to get real with every previous sacking over the past 6 years .
The team has each time under new managers got worse each time .
The club has no money and the managers being brought in will have the same problems as the previous ones .
The Board are the ones who keep sacking managers , averaging 1 or 2 a season lately .
They are the ones to blame but sacking the manager in Xmas week stinks of deflecting the blame of them .
I don't envy the new guy and it will probably be Hopkin
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Post by edinlivi on Dec 22, 2015 14:00:53 GMT 1
Fans need to get real with every previous sacking over the past 6 years . The team has each time under new managers got worse each time . The club has no money and the managers being brought in will have the same problems as the previous ones . The Board are the ones who keep sacking managers , averaging 1 or 2 a season lately . They are the ones to blame but sacking the manager in Xmas week stinks of deflecting the blame of them . I don't envy the new guy and it will probably be Hopkin Out of interest, why do you see the board as the ones to blame in this?
I like Mark, and as a few others have said, every Livi fan will remember what he did for us last season but for me this is the correct decision at the correct time.
I still can't get my head around the fact that he had no players out warming up to come on to break up Dumbarton's play towards the end.. absolutely ludicrous.
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Post by gustav on Dec 22, 2015 16:40:06 GMT 1
You ask why I blame the board
Well as we have gone through so many managers in a short space of time it's they who are hiring them and firing them and that brings no stability to any club .'
Livingston have sacked more managers then any other Scottish club in the past 5 years .
Anyone will tell you this sort of regime brings nothing positive to a club .
I hear fans shouting for the managers head but nothing about the board .
The guy who sits behind me was high in his praise a few weeks ago against Rangers but in Saturday he's shouting taxi for Burchill
Now I agree he should have made use of his subs late on but it doesn't warrant getting the sack
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Post by edinlivi on Dec 22, 2015 16:51:56 GMT 1
You ask why I blame the board Well as we have gone through so many managers in a short space of time it's they who are hiring them and firing them and that brings no stability to any club .' Livingston have sacked more managers then any other Scottish club in the past 5 years . Anyone will tell you this sort of regime brings nothing positive to a club . I hear fans shouting for the managers head but nothing about the board . The guy who sits behind me was high in his praise a few weeks ago against Rangers but in Saturday he's shouting taxi for Burchill Now I agree he should have made use of his subs late on but it doesn't warrant getting the sack I agree that the team needs stability.. but how long do you give it before you sack a manager? Do you wait until we're isolated towards the bottom? I think that the last two games have forced the board into a corner where they had to do something drastic.
The last two games brought the chance to propel ourselves up the league, instead, we let Alloa draw closer to us and couldn't regain any lost ground on Dumbarton.
Regardless of the budget Mark was working with, our team is training 4-5 days a week, whilst Alloa and Dumbarton are training two nights a week.. The difference in football ability should be apparent, but I just don't see it.
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Post by toughatthetop on Dec 22, 2015 18:19:47 GMT 1
Burchill had them training part time may I add he was out the building for 11am most days he stopped the reserve games to which I only say as an example the fat guy of the team would be fitter
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Post by jonsnow on Dec 22, 2015 18:21:00 GMT 1
Perhaps I'm being unfair on Hopkin, we'll see how he gets on against St Mirren and Falkirk, can't be any waorse than our last two games. Hope he at least uses up all his subs and tries to have us getting down the wings.
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Post by gustav on Dec 22, 2015 19:43:24 GMT 1
The players don't just all of a sudden become brilliant overnight with a new manager .
There is no McNulty , Scougell , Andrieu .
The manager is working with poor quality players .
These are players Who are full time but struggle to pass the ball and Control it.
There is very little composed football and for most of the game it's the big punt up the park .
A few years ago Livi played some nice flowing football but again it was down to the better players that are no longer there .
I don't see much difference in the players in the bottom half of this league .
It's not as if Livi get hammered in fact they have a very good goal difference among the bottom half in league .
But my point was it wont matter who is the next manager you can't turn Sausage into Steak and the Livi job is now a poisoned chalice
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Post by jonsnow on Dec 22, 2015 21:31:16 GMT 1
Had an 18 goal a season player warming the bench with his arse all game against Dumbarton though
We've good enough players that we should be above Dumbarton and St Mirren challenging QoS, Burchill kept telling us we were a mid table team so no excuses about failing to get us there.
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Post by edinlivi on Dec 22, 2015 21:51:26 GMT 1
We've good enough players that we should be above Dumbarton and St Mirren challenging QoS, Burchill kept telling us we were a mid table team so no excuses about failing to get us there. Agreed. Whilst we may not have a stand-out player (such as Scougall, Mcnulty..) I honestly think that the team on paper is a pretty reasonable team. The team that we've accumulated with the 'lowest budget in the league' to me is no worse than Morton, QoS, Raith, Dumbarton, St Mirren and Alloa. I see no reason why we should not be challenging these teams for the mid table spots. Looks like it's gonna be another year where we're fighting the drop. Hopefully that fight turns out the same as last year.. |
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Post by toughatthetop on Dec 22, 2015 22:04:19 GMT 1
From where? I wasn't aware he'd gone anywhere? playing for pumperston juniors |
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Post by toughatthetop on Dec 22, 2015 22:09:20 GMT 1
He's bought in players and paying a heavy price now for it why bring sheering in he's only scored a couple of goals it's an abismal return from what was expected
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Post by liviman on Dec 22, 2015 23:02:42 GMT 1
What about first team coach Martindale will he go as well?
I see from a BBC news article he is a previously convicted drug dealer :-(
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Post by Pedro on Dec 22, 2015 23:08:36 GMT 1
It's never nice when yet another manager is shown the door but it was definitely on the cards - our results have been very poor for the majority of this and last season.
I can't say I've any confidence in Hopkins turning it round either.
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