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Post by jonsnow on Sept 1, 2015 22:08:43 GMT 1
Big game for us this week, early in the season for must win games but this has that feel about it.
Quite optimistic going into this game after our last couple of performances but expecting it to be a tough game and really tight too. I predict a 2-1 Livi win with big Shags coming on to score the winner. Mon the Lions.
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Post by Auldnick on Sept 1, 2015 22:47:55 GMT 1
Given how poor everyone is saying Saints were, I can foresee a harder game this week; Morton will probably park the bus & hit us on the break in the same way as Dumbarton did last season. Can't see us winning this one based on what I've seen so far this season
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Post by colcal on Sept 3, 2015 17:37:12 GMT 1
If Auldnick heard that St Mirren were bad, it follows that he wasn't there to comment on how well Livi played for long spells in both games. Not having seen those performances - the most recent ones - perhaps means that his prediction is less well informed than those who've had the benefit of seeing the last couple of games. We should have won both. Four wins out of eight competitive matches this season, but all of those were in cup games. There's more confidence in our play now than there was earlier in the season. I'm going for a Livi win. Can't see us scoring many (although we've been creating lots of chances recently) but we do look fairly solid defensively...........so either 1-0 or 2-1 to us.
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Post by jonsnow on Sept 3, 2015 18:29:04 GMT 1
Ben Gordon was immense in the centre of our defence, he saved us when a slack pass sent St Mirren in on goal by somehow getting himself up beside their player and muscling him off the ball, pity Sives couldn't have done that for their goal. If Gallagher is in CB alongside Gordon I'd be really confident of a Livi win. However if Millen is still out and Gallagher is RB I think Bobby Barr will run him ragged and I'm not too confident Sives will be good enough to defend balls coming in from the wing.
Pittman is looking doubtful after being subbed with a hamstring last week, Mullen is back for this game though so that gives us another goal threat.
Looking forward to this after the double header against St Mirren, really enjoyed those two games.
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Post by Auldnick on Sept 4, 2015 23:50:58 GMT 1
If Auldnick heard that St Mirren were bad, it follows that he wasn't there to comment on how well Livi played for long spells in both games. Not having seen those performances - the most recent ones - perhaps means that his prediction is less well informed than those who've had the benefit of seeing the last couple of games. We should have won both. Four wins out of eight competitive matches this season, but all of those were in cup games. There's more confidence in our play now than there was earlier in the season. I'm going for a Livi win. Can't see us scoring many (although we've been creating lots of chances recently) but we do look fairly solid defensively...........so either 1-0 or 2-1 to us. You are correct, I wasn't there...but most of what I have read in relation to the game is that Saints were pretty poor & we were better. It doesn't take much to be better than pretty poor & as many Livi fans expect championships when we win a game & relegation when we lose a game I tend to think that our good performances are a tad overhyped & our bad ones aren't quite as bad as portrayed. In the last game I did see, we lost & while we didn't play too badly, over the piece we were not as good as Falkirk & we looked like we were playing within ourselves. Even my Saints supporting branch manager reckons the Buddies are shockingly bad this season, so until I can see with my own eyes this new found confidence & better performance level I will reserve judgement. I don't think Morton are world beaters but I do think they will park the bus & look to catch us on the break. Something that always gives us problems.
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Post by bel187 on Sept 5, 2015 16:43:58 GMT 1
See below
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Post by bel187 on Sept 5, 2015 16:53:48 GMT 1
Bet Rangers will be quaking in their boots - not This was one of the worst performances I have ever seen after looking comfortable early on. Defo red though 3 at the back cut open so easily when down to 10 men unbelievable we even let their mascot score. Great last 5 mins but too little too late Wonder if Broxi Bear will be on the scoresheet next week
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Post by toughatthetop on Sept 5, 2015 17:10:43 GMT 1
To make matters even worse alloa won we're going down match report says even game till sending off ?what game was he reporting on
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Post by colcal on Sept 5, 2015 17:35:50 GMT 1
Ben Gordon needs to have a good look at himself. Appalling 'tackle' when there was absolutely no need. If he felt he had to foul in that area of the pitch, tug a shirt or trip someone - don't assault them! Straight red all day long. Let himself and his team mates down. Pass marks from Gibbons, Hippo and Buchanan. Otherwise very poor all over the place. Sheer in has trimmed down a little and knows where the goal is. It's time to make changes and use the squad properly. Too many players look comfortable and know they're going to be picked. Off to Hanpden on Monday then off to the Sports Direct Arena next week - not sure which one in dreading more. We know what's coming at Ibrox - intimidation, dubious decisions and an inevitable outcome. Even so, the team needs our support and I'll always be there to give it.
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Post by Mr Angry on Sept 5, 2015 18:21:00 GMT 1
That was shite this afternoon! Ben Gordon needs a kick to his hee haws if he thinks that kind of tackle is acceptable. Idiot! Cole looked liked he was still half cut and Declan Gallagher hasn't bothered to break sweat all season. The boy Sheerin has lost six stone already this season but he still looks way off the pace - he only scored because they'd switched off. There's not one of them that looks like they give a shit about the game today or the club in general. Looking like relegation material and a few folk on here need to take there Burchill glasses off and see that the lad doesn't have a clue what he is doing.
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Post by monkeysocks on Sept 5, 2015 19:21:09 GMT 1
Burchill taking his hands out of his pockets and start showing a bit of passion/ guidance/ encouragement would be a start. He picks the team and gives them no backing on the field other than a reluctance to change things. Too many are coasting, either that they are not as good as he, we or they think they are. 4-0 up and Morton bench were still shouting instructions and tearing strips of players when they made mistakes. To be honest despite scoring two goals we were fortunate not to concede 3 or 4 more . Only a couple of bad misses and goal line clearances prevented a total embarrassment of a score line. Sorry Mr Angry but Sheerin looks like a forward , miles ahead of others who play regularly and he took his goal really well. Might not be everyone's cup of tea but I'd give him a start over White and Mullen. Rant over, beer time!
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Post by Gregory's Girl on Sept 5, 2015 23:19:29 GMT 1
It was a bad afternoon all round but lets not get too carried away with anger and doom and gloom. Yes we were poor but we do have lots of time left to settle down. Keep your chins up people!
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Post by Auldnick on Sept 6, 2015 0:07:28 GMT 1
Ben Gordon needs to have a good look at himself. Appalling 'tackle' when there was absolutely no need. If he felt he had to foul in that area of the pitch, tug a shirt or trip someone - don't assault them! Straight red all day long. Let himself and his team mates down. Pass marks from Gibbons, Hippo and Buchanan. Otherwise very poor all over the place. Sheer in has trimmed down a little and knows where the goal is. It's time to make changes and use the squad properly. Too many players look comfortable and know they're going to be picked. Off to Hanpden on Monday then off to the Sports Direct Arena next week - not sure which one in dreading more. We know what's coming at Ibrox - intimidation, dubious decisions and an inevitable outcome. Even so, the team needs our support and I'll always be there to give it. It happened pretty well right in front of me...he did trip him, that is exactly what he did; it wasn't even a heavy challenge, a simple clipping of one leg on to the other, there were worse challenges later by Morton players that went unpunished. I said it would be a straight red as soon as it happened but IMO it should have been yellow. It wasn't serious foul play, it wasn't a last man challenge (there were 2 defenders goal side) & it wasn't a clear goal scoring opportunity. It was an open & even game up to then. First goal probably occurred as a result of the decision with the defence still trying to sort itself out but surely Dec saw DJ coming out but then the question is why was DJ coming out? Both somewhat at fault but arguably DJ more at fault. Bold move to go with an extra attacker in the second half but it left us short at the back. They caught us on the counter so many times it was ridiculous. Never more so than when Hippo cleared the lines, White chased the ball on his own with no back up, they punted it back up to their forward & we had 3 Morton players v Dec & DJ...it took all 3 of them to score the goal though. The one off the line was a superb clearance. DJ also at fault for the 4th with another appalling kick straight to a Morton player & only Bobby Barr's poor finishing prevented a 5th at 4-2 because DJ's positioning was dreadful, you could have driven a bus between him & his near post & driven it sideways between him & his far post & he looked about 2 feet tall (this was the chance after Hippo hit the underside of the bar). I agree on pass marks for Gibbons, Hippo & Buchanan; Gordon was doing fine until the red card; also thought Glen did well & Sheerin when he came on (great goal). White got his goal but still needs to be more of a presence. Sheerin already has that in his game. I think they would have been very twitchy if Hippos effort off the bar had gone in. Was disappointed with Mullen, DJ & Cole (never a captain in a million years). Thought the one given offside should have stood at the time but my lad reckoned Buchanan had strayed offside before the initial shot was taken. He may well be right. Probable pasting at Hunbrox this coming week.
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Post by jonsnow on Sept 6, 2015 7:21:37 GMT 1
Never a red card for Gordon, should've been a yellow. Gary Glen got the same thing done to him last week and Stewart got a yellow for it. In fact the kick one of our players got after he'd passed the ball didn't even get a yellow and it was worse than Gordon's foul on Barr.
Wasted the game for us as it was pretty even up till then with both teams playing attacking football. Agree that it would've been better for Gordon to tug his shirt or fall into him and take him down though, as we did later on and got away with not even a foul being given against us.
Some good passages of play before that and signs of being better in front of goal, difficult to judge the defending as the sending off contributed to their first goal and has been mentioned the formation after that left us exposed on the counter to be picked off chasing the game. Not a good day at all with results going other teams way too and dropping to the bottom of the table. I'd like to see White and Sheerin paired up with Glen playing in behind them, not confident Burchill will play 2 up front at Ibrox though, prob stick with Buchanan as the lone striker and play defensively. I fear a thumping coming up.
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Post by toplion on Sept 6, 2015 8:00:15 GMT 1
That was shite this afternoon! Ben Gordon needs a kick to his hee haws if he thinks that kind of tackle is acceptable. Idiot! Cole looked liked he was still half cut and Declan Gallagher hasn't bothered to break sweat all season. The boy Sheerin has lost six stone already this season but he still looks way off the pace - he only scored because they'd switched off. There's not one of them that looks like they give a shit about the game today or the club in general. Looking like relegation material and a few folk on here need to take there Burchill glasses off and see that the lad doesn't have a clue what he is doing. Is it to early to be calling for Burchills head? This is is his players.
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Post by biglebowski on Sept 6, 2015 9:38:13 GMT 1
We have had managers sacked for less. It is his team and its not working. I cannot remember any game where we had any decent period of play,we have no midfield to speak of we just seem to lump it up the park. Players need dropped Mullen for being poor and Hippo for all his fancy shit. Going to get hammered at Ibrox next week . 1 point from 18 is definitely sackable territory.
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Post by colcal on Sept 6, 2015 9:53:05 GMT 1
It's a nonsense to be talking about sacking Burchill after half a dozen games. The manager can't be held responsible for the stupidity of a single player. Playing with 10 men for an hour against anyone means a defeat. But for that red card, who knows what would have happened. We were poor against QOS and outplayed by Falkirk. Should have won in Paisley and taken something on the opening day in Kirkaldy. Two decent cup runs. Imperfect pre-season due to the embargo and the delay in getting players in. What's the expectation? Miissed Pittman badly yesterday. Now Gordon is suspended. Others have been suspended already - we inherited those suspensions when we signed them. Dreading Ibrox next week then Hibs at home. After that, it's a bit more realistic to think we can get points. I accept that we'll be a 6 or 8 points behind by that time but we will be better than Alloa and Dumbarton (at least) over the course of the season. Changing the manager now would be a disaster. We need stability and patience. We need to get behind the team more than ever. This is when they need us.
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Post by toughatthetop on Sept 6, 2015 9:53:25 GMT 1
What happened with him going with youth as far as I can see he got rid of Ross king,Darren Moffat and has farmed out 5 of hi's ground staff out to junior football if I'm correct in saying that is all his groundstaff on loan and you are correct they are his signings that are on the park each week and none of them bring anything to us next few weeks we will get pumped and team moral will be at an all time low
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Post by misdemeanor on Sept 6, 2015 10:19:21 GMT 1
Burchill taking his hands out of his pockets and start showing a bit of passion/ guidance/ encouragement would be a start. He picks the team and gives them no backing on the field other than a reluctance to change things. Too many are coasting, either that they are not as good as he, we or they think they are. 4-0 up and Morton bench were still shouting instructions and tearing strips of players when they made mistakes. To be honest despite scoring two goals we were fortunate not to concede 3 or 4 more . Only a couple of bad misses and goal line clearances prevented a total embarrassment of a score line. Sorry Mr Angry but Sheerin looks like a forward , miles ahead of others who play regularly and he took his goal really well. Might not be everyone's cup of tea but I'd give him a start over White and Mullen. Rant over, beer time! 100% agree, Mullen get him to France he is not physical enough like Sheerin to hold play or to fight off opposing defenders. White, couldn't jump into a paddling pool.
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Post by misdemeanor on Sept 6, 2015 10:23:42 GMT 1
Never a red card for Gordon, should've been a yellow. Gary Glen got the same thing done to him last week and Stewart got a yellow for it. In fact the kick one of our players got after he'd passed the ball didn't even get a yellow and it was worse than Gordon's foul on Barr. Wasted the game for us as it was pretty even up till then with both teams playing attacking football. Agree that it would've been better for Gordon to tug his shirt or fall into him and take him down though, as we did later on and got away with not even a foul being given against us. Some good passages of play before that and signs of being better in front of goal, difficult to judge the defending as the sending off contributed to their first goal and has been mentioned the formation after that left us exposed on the counter to be picked off chasing the game. Not a good day at all with results going other teams way too and dropping to the bottom of the table. I'd like to see White and Sheerin paired up with Glen playing in behind them, not confident Burchill will play 2 up front at Ibrox though, prob stick with Buchanan as the lone striker and play defensively. I fear a thumping coming up. Duhhhh, eehhh, Duhhhhh what game were you watching yesterday? Clear Red, Thuggish behaviour from an experienced player is unacceptable at this level. It was an awful tackle, a moment of complete madness. The idiot should be fined heavily. He deserved the red card simple.
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Post by misdemeanor on Sept 6, 2015 10:28:17 GMT 1
We have had managers sacked for less. It is his team and its not working. I cannot remember any game where we had any decent period of play,we have no midfield to speak of we just seem to lump it up the park. Players need dropped Mullen for being poor and Hippo for all his fancy shit. Going to get hammered at Ibrox next week . 1 point from 18 is definitely sackable territory. The good news is that William Hill have slashed the odds for 8-0 to the Gers from 50/1 to 20/1 so that's encouraging!
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Post by misdemeanor on Sept 6, 2015 10:33:07 GMT 1
We have had managers sacked for less. It is his team and its not working. I cannot remember any game where we had any decent period of play,we have no midfield to speak of we just seem to lump it up the park. Players need dropped Mullen for being poor and Hippo for all his fancy shit. Going to get hammered at Ibrox next week . 1 point from 18 is definitely sackable territory. Was getting watched yesterday by Stevie Crawford apparently a scout for Hearts. But he took down lots of positive notes about Myles, this I know as he sat direct in front of me and we were able to glance at his little scout book from time to time. Again positive news, we might get up to £50K for Myles come January?
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Post by misdemeanor on Sept 6, 2015 10:40:11 GMT 1
That was shite this afternoon! Ben Gordon needs a kick to his hee haws if he thinks that kind of tackle is acceptable. Idiot! Cole looked liked he was still half cut and Declan Gallagher hasn't bothered to break sweat all season. The boy Sheerin has lost six stone already this season but he still looks way off the pace - he only scored because they'd switched off. There's not one of them that looks like they give a shit about the game today or the club in general. Looking like relegation material and a few folk on here need to take there Burchill glasses off and see that the lad doesn't have a clue what he is doing. Is it to early to be calling for Burchills head? This is is his players. Who do you replace him with and at what cost. He will be under contract, so yet another pay off. Remember only 1186 turned out yesterday, which means we are 414 still short of break even point, multiply that by the £17 pound odds to get in and the directors are having to put in this week alone £7038 between them. So as much as we would like to think the MB (that`s should be how we we should address him) is not the man for the job, we are for the for see able stuck with him.
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Post by misdemeanor on Sept 6, 2015 10:44:29 GMT 1
Burchill taking his hands out of his pockets and start showing a bit of passion/ guidance/ encouragement would be a start. He picks the team and gives them no backing on the field other than a reluctance to change things. Too many are coasting, either that they are not as good as he, we or they think they are. 4-0 up and Morton bench were still shouting instructions and tearing strips of players when they made mistakes. To be honest despite scoring two goals we were fortunate not to concede 3 or 4 more . Only a couple of bad misses and goal line clearances prevented a total embarrassment of a score line. Sorry Mr Angry but Sheerin looks like a forward , miles ahead of others who play regularly and he took his goal really well. Might not be everyone's cup of tea but I'd give him a start over White and Mullen. Rant over, beer time! Totally agree but we are stuck with him see the post above this. Yep he picks his mates ok... sorry fraudulent slip, team.
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Post by colcal on Sept 6, 2015 11:07:15 GMT 1
Everybody needs to calm down. It's a long hard season ahead and anyone who thought it would be anything other than that was a fantasist. We all have opinions about who should play and what tactics should be employed. But I'm happy to leave it to MB - he did a great job towards the end of last season and transformed the team's fortunes. He can do so again. We haven't got a settled team yet. When we do, I'm sure we'll be fine. It needs patience. I'd like to see Morgyn Neill get a game. He was strong and athletic in the preseason games - rock solid and no nonsense defending in those matches. Keeping 11 players on the pitch for more than half an hour would also help the manager.
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