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Post by monkeysocks on Nov 24, 2014 19:18:18 GMT 1
Sky sports reporting that we have been deducted 5 points for breaches of tax rules. Shut the gates and the last one out switch off the lights. Can we survive to the end of the season? Doubt it.
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Post by colcal on Nov 24, 2014 20:01:21 GMT 1
Being eternally optimistic, perhaps this will give the players and the club 'a cause' to fight for. Siege mentality?!
Ironically, the fine may secure the manager's position for a while given that funds are so low that redundancy payments are very likely to be prohibitive now.
As a supporter, come what may, it makes me doubly determined to make sure we all get behind the club as it enters yet another dark period. It's like Groundhog Day.
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Post by fandango on Nov 24, 2014 20:11:20 GMT 1
Its all over the BBC,Sky,STV and even that venonmous Pie and Bovril site but as usual nothing on the Official site. Why should we bother because it looks like the owners couldn't give a f*ck.
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Post by colcal on Nov 24, 2014 21:05:26 GMT 1
The main question remains - how much does the club owe the government? The answer to that will determine whether or not the club can continue.
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Post by monkeysocks on Nov 24, 2014 21:10:02 GMT 1
Agreed. Think something is going on behind the scenes that the support will not be made aware of before it is too late. Don't forget we still have " Rankingate" to be dealt with by the SFA and the case with Nixon to be concluded. Unless there is someone out there with millions to burn, I am not optimistic for the future. I will still turn up and support the team but it's like Groundhog Day around the club .great film but you soon get fed up of the plot after watching it half a dozen times.
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Post by Mr Angry on Nov 24, 2014 21:30:45 GMT 1
Rankine is as much a pr*ck as Nixon was. And it doesn't matter whether they're both crooks or just f**king inept! We've been royally shafted by the pair of them.
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Post by biglebowski on Nov 24, 2014 21:57:37 GMT 1
Even in our short existence , we are without doubt the worst run team in Scottish history. One shambles after another. No wonder our club is loathed.
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Post by Mango Fan on Nov 24, 2014 22:10:52 GMT 1
Shambles, absolute shambles - can the last person out please switch off the lights  |
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Post by bobafett on Nov 24, 2014 22:28:37 GMT 1
Cheers Ged, sure you had the best interests of the club at heart
Not that we have any money to spend, but does this mean that the transfer embargo will now be lifted?
Given that we still need to wait for the outcome of the Rankine hearing it does not bode well, yet a certain Phoenix club from near the Clyde get away with everyone and anyone investing in them and the owner of another club placing their people on the board, but there is no case to answer for them
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Post by howmanytimes on Nov 24, 2014 22:41:46 GMT 1
How many times will we keep doing this to ourselves?
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Post by drwho on Nov 25, 2014 7:54:08 GMT 1
I am not sure we will survive this and it's all because of 2 men's big egos . McGlynn won't help get s out of his hole either.
This has disaster written all over it
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Post by livimoaner on Nov 25, 2014 9:45:53 GMT 1
I hope that colcal is correct.
I hope that the poor malaise we have been in has been caused by the uncertainty of our position.
Now that that position has been clarified the players and manager can adjust their mental picture and start to perform.
For any player that may read this, what will it look like on your CV to rescue a club in the position we are in? it will say as much if not more clearing us from any relegation threat as it would winning the division in the Hearts or Rangers team. Time to make history, a time of opportunity and a time to become heroes.
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Post by misdemeanor on Nov 25, 2014 10:51:33 GMT 1
RIP Livingston FC.
Its been fun and we have had seasons in the sun some full of joy, and it brings great sadness that a club I love and have supported since the contract manager who I met whilst in the motortrade many years ago told me of a new stadium getting built in Livingston, then I was hooked.
I saw the fist steel frame of the current stand getting built and was involved from the very first game, however to see the club crumble like this is very very sad.
I have said on another forum now closed that we do not have the support of West Lothian or indeed local business interest or indeed a fan base purely because the kids of West Lothian are forced to support the teams of their parents choice, this has always been the case.
We have or we had a club at the heart of the community but lack of support from one of the biggest and richest councils in West Lothian, who at the news yesterday are delighted that the club will be going AWOL as they have interest in the £10m land it sits on, to again line the Councillors pockets. This news was relayed last night from an insider who says they that excited aboutit the budget for the Christmas party has been doubled.
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Post by monkeysocks on Nov 25, 2014 12:10:11 GMT 1
Still nothing on the club website about the news. No defiant statement from the board that they have confidence etc. that it is a temp blip and we will comeback stronger .( sorry , I will have to stop drinking this early in the day, becoming delusional I think) . COME ON GIVE US SOMETHING !!!!
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Post by Pedro on Nov 25, 2014 12:40:26 GMT 1
If it's not one thing it's another. What are the odds that we'll see out the season?
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Post by livimoaner on Nov 25, 2014 13:18:06 GMT 1
The old firm has caused much of the suffering for the rest of Scottish football.
If we are to go lets do so by ruining the hopes of Servoco. Beat them at home beat them then and fold on the Monday, a glorious death, out in a blaze of glory burning bright to the last.
Please players no soggy whisper of a death. Ride to the sound of the huns and spike their promotion.
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Post by monkeysocks on Nov 25, 2014 14:57:27 GMT 1
The old firm has caused much of the suffering for the rest of Scottish football. If we are to go lets do so by ruining the hopes of Servoco. Beat them at home beat them then and fold on the Monday, a glorious death, out in a blaze of glory burning bright to the last. Please players no soggy whisper of a death. Ride to the sound of the huns and spike their promotion. Changed my mind about the demon drink. Can you please tell me what you have been on and can I get some? |
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Post by livimoaner on Nov 25, 2014 16:45:24 GMT 1
The OF have dictated the business model used in Scottish football.
They have used a league structure that practically guaranteed that one or other of them finished top every year.
Such a structure has adversely affected not only the chance of success of other teams but their income and viability also.
The time Rangers was relegated was an ideal time to affect change, to give Scottish football a structure more of the teams could not only survive but finally have a chance to thrive.
This opportunity was wasted because Celtic though it would hurt Rangers and Rangers though they could just cruise to re-establishment in the SPFL.
To which end if we are to go, we should do so causing the most harm to those that did most harm to us, the OF.
A bit like a kamakasi action from the last war.
As for Drink I take my inspiration from some of the old Livi support, real ale, real whisky and all served by real women.
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Post by monkeysocks on Nov 25, 2014 17:25:24 GMT 1
Your eloquence is matched perfectly with your understanding of the questionable and intransigent body that is the SFA/SFPL. The opportunity to change the face of Scottish football was within their grasp but they had nothing but self interest at heart and bottled it. Gone slightly off thread subject here but not withstanding that ,we, as a club, have been inept in our management of the business and not for the first time. Saviours in dire times have proved unreliable to the point where we now on the brink once again. As an earlier poster said , our club is loathed because we stagger from crisis to crisis. Sooner or later the humane execution will happen whether we as supporters like it or not.
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Post by livi1995 on Nov 25, 2014 17:45:32 GMT 1
Come on guys. We did the decent thing and "handed" ourselves in. Other clubs would have just paid the tax owed and said nothing. Nows the time to get behind the club. Regardless of who is in charge we are the ones that have always been there for the club. Hopefully we can push on and get some results before Xmas and surprise ourselves. Mon the Lions
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Post by drwho on Nov 25, 2014 20:18:07 GMT 1
The club statement reminds me of the farce of a fans forum when we sacked Gareth Evans. The current board treat the Livi fans like mushrooms - kept in the dark and fed Sh!t. |
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Post by bazzaboy on Nov 25, 2014 20:47:36 GMT 1
Totally gutted us the fans are treated like shite by the chairman and board members told nothing not even a statement on website how many more times are we going to suffer problems within the club past and present lets just hope now this might kick our season on and the players give their all each game that means the 11 on the field every game
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Post by livimoaner on Nov 26, 2014 13:28:53 GMT 1
Your eloquence is matched perfectly with your understanding of the questionable and intransigent body that is the SFA/SFPL. The opportunity to change the face of Scottish football was within their grasp but they had nothing but self interest at heart and bottled it. Gone slightly off thread subject here but not withstanding that ,we, as a club, have been inept in our management of the business and not for the first time. Saviours in dire times have proved unreliable to the point where we now on the brink once again. As an earlier poster said , our club is loathed because we stagger from crisis to crisis. Sooner or later the humane execution will happen whether we as supporters like it or not. I think we are of a like mind regarding the ability of the SFA. It seems in British sport we are cursed by those who have no idea of how to combine business management techniques with sporting interest. For some reason people who have made success of businesses come into sport and cannot replicate that ability. Too many of our sports are run by elected amateurs, (Local FAs for example) or we give control to clubs who are motivated by self interest. Rare is it that you find as in America the game run for the betterment of the sport and its long term future such as the NFL. The SFA should have made the change. The fans should have boycotted until that change was made. Even if Celtic wanted it that way, just there fans turning up at games would have forced the issue. Those in charge of football love our rivalries as it prevents us having a collective voice and chance to control our game. All the time we sing we hate the Dee, we are maintaining their control on our game. Football if it is to be rescued in Scotland needs a fan lead revolution, but we are collectively too dim to achieve that. |
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Post by Auldnick on Nov 26, 2014 20:00:54 GMT 1
There is a statement on the club site....doesn't say very much but it is there.
GMcD was interviewed by Charles Patterson on Sky saying the club doesn't even know how much it owes HMRC but they are working towards that; he claimed the club is in no more danger than any other.
HMRC are usually willing to agree repayment terms rather than enforcing it all to be paid at once so they may decide not to force us into financial meltdown...on the other hand they might.
The fact that the club owned up to the irregularities may work in their favour.
Unfortunately it would appear that the league imposed transfer embargo remains in place until the entire tax issue is resolved...which to my mind is a harsh situation; IMO it should be lifted when a solution is in place (which would include repaying in instalments)
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Post by colcal on Nov 26, 2014 20:46:38 GMT 1
If the tax to be paid is only £20k or of a similar magnitude, no doubt that could be managed somehow. However, Friday sees the hearing of the GMcD case, which could lead to a further fine, embargo, points deduction, suspension from cups and any other penalty that the authorities decide.
The Nixon case is deferred until March and that has costs.
I'm troubled by the cash flow. Where does the club get funds from at the moment? The last 8 weeks - Falkirk (away), QOS (home - small gate), Annan away (half of a very small gate), Alloa (away), Dumbarton (home - small gate), Cowdenbeath (away), No Game, Raith (away). With Falkirk at home followed by Rangers away, the next decent income source is on 27th December when we have Hearts at home. The last incone of any note would have been the Hibs game on 18th October. That sequence of fixtures can't possibly work out well financially.
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