Dov
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Post by Dov on Mar 31, 2013 10:04:16 GMT 1
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Post by Dov on Apr 16, 2013 7:51:54 GMT 1
Have to say, more than happy with the outcome, big clubs now trying to blame two wee clubs for the demise of Scottish Football when it was really the big clubs that put it on it's knees.
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Post by Gregory's Girl on Apr 16, 2013 11:19:46 GMT 1
It does seem a bit rich that Ross County can halt the modernisation of the whole of Scottish football when they have only been in the top league for 5 minutes though. Just because they are okay its a bit two fingers to everyone else? They've went right down in my book.
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Post by livimoaner on Apr 16, 2013 12:08:18 GMT 1
Can you explain Gregory's girl why 12 12 18 is a modernization?
We currently run foreshortened divisions, surely to modernize we have to go either down a franchising route or two divisions?
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Post by livimoaner on Apr 16, 2013 12:12:13 GMT 1
In a two division set up the maximum amount of times you can play the same team is 4, two league fixtures, two cup,
As we stand we can meet the same team 7 times.
And I believe a few years ago we did just that with Aberdeen.
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Post by Pedro on Apr 16, 2013 12:15:26 GMT 1
It was an attempt to brings things into the 21st century.
It would have provided one league body. A much needed filtering down of cash through the leagues. Confirmed TV interest. A pyramid system route for non league clubs to take the step up. The opportunity to re-visit the idea in 3 years to assess its success or otherwise.
Yes, there were/are things about it that don't tick everyone's boxes but let's face it, is there an idea out there that will?
What we have got now is the same old same old that no-one wants.
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Post by livimoaner on Apr 17, 2013 14:47:58 GMT 1
Pedro.
The basic failing of the foreshortened divisions is that it magnifies the dominance or lack of success of teams.
While this appeals to those lucky enough to support teams that regularly benefit from it, for the majority of clubs, (maybe not supporters as the teams that have benefited from it were the OF) and it does not appeal to casual / occasional support. It also makes it a hard sell to TV when the same small number of teams keep winning.
Any form of small division mitigates against the very thing that makes football exciting, unpredictability.
My question is why are they so determined to have small divisions. In respect of ourselves our season was effectively over in March. look at the damage that is doing to our income. If we were in a similar position in the English Championship we would be in line for at least a ploy off but with increased motivation a automatic promotion spot.
When it comes to spreading income, there are easier solutions to the problem. I have read some suggestions about gate sharing and ceding cup competitions, others have suggested franchising. While these ideas are good, we would not have that problem if the Scottish game was more marketable, that more people paid to watch it on telly around the world. That is achievable by raising the standard of the game and bringing back uncertainty of results and a two division set up is more able to produce that.
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Post by Livi News on May 23, 2013 22:33:43 GMT 1
 SFL clubs to hold June vote on league restructuringLivingston chairman Gordon McDougall, a senior member of the SFL board told BBC Scotland that "time ran out a long time ago" for league restructuring for next season. McDougall says there has been no communication from the SPL to SFL clubs about the proposals the top division drew up last week. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22638556 |
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Post by yakov on May 24, 2013 18:52:22 GMT 1
This new plan doesn't really do anything. All it does is move the 1st Division problem down a level. And makes the 2nd Division utterly pointless next year. As it stands, Rangers will walk it. But at least there's 3 playoff places up for grabs. No chance that the 9 clubs will vote this in.
I reckon it's a good thing for Livingston. But I'm not one for being selfish so I'd vote this down too.
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Post by bobafett on May 25, 2013 7:05:43 GMT 1
Problem for Div1 clubs is if there is no chance of change coming from the Div2 and Div3 clubs, but a willingness from SPL clubs to improve things, they have to go for it.
If it means Div2 is meaningless next year and they are banned from the Ramsden and League Cups, but their own futures are improved/safe guarded then its an opportunity that cannot be turned down
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Post by Auldnick on May 25, 2013 17:29:35 GMT 1
It was an attempt to brings things into the 21st century. It would have provided one league body. A much needed filtering down of cash through the leagues. Confirmed TV interest. A pyramid system route for non league clubs to take the step up. The opportunity to re-visit the idea in 3 years to assess its success or otherwise. Yes, there were/are things about it that don't tick everyone's boxes but let's face it, is there an idea out there that will? What we have got now is the same old same old that no-one wants. Surely every attempt at restructuring is an attempt to modernise the game but the 12-12-18 added an even more ridiculous split to replace the current one & the positive spin suggested more teams with a chance of promotion....and yet they would be playing against teams with a better budget & probably better players so the reality is likely to produce even less change & no apparent championship for the middle tier to win. The idea replaces a busted flush with a busted toilet....and we all know the outcome of a busted toilet. |
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Post by livimoaner on May 26, 2013 19:17:23 GMT 1
Reading between the lines:
The SPL have starved the rest of the divisons into submisson.
On the way their top clubs have convinced their support and by rationale the majority of fans that the lower clubs are unsuccessful through lack of ambition and are a drain on the success of the bigger teams.
The press by lack of quality of sports writters have taken this story hook line and sinker and have regurditated this misdirection.
In the meanwhile the bigger picture in regards of the quality of the game and national success has been lost and to such an extent that fans are actually willing to sacrifice nation for team despite the reality that success for nation is benefical to those teams.
Worse fans are so brainwashed into obeying club or at least offering blind support that they have lost their voice in regards of demanding what they would prefer to watch or buy.
A sorry state.
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