|
|
Post by misdemeanor on Nov 15, 2017 22:34:57 GMT 1
Appalling totally appalling.
Just when you thought it could not get any worse we charge £20 then after complaints reduce to £18. This is an embarrassment to us and too Scottish football.
IF ITS £18 FOR GLENAFTON THEN THE NEXT HOME LEAGUE GAME SHOULD BE AROUND £46.
Its ridiculous no wonder Scottish football is in a state when we have the greed factor taking over for a game with a non league side. I feel sorry for the away fans.
its so sad that due to lack of support from those in West Lothian we have to have games that should be priced accordingly.
Very very disapointing. Even Queen of the South called us for everything.
I suppose if we had a support from people in West Lothian and bums on seats we would not be in this mess. But we do not help ourselves the club are looking for constructive help but this seems like falling on deaf ears. If it costs £20000 to put a match on we should look at supporting this from our own pockets otherwise we all need to get out and about and promote the club whether as Ive said before that is door to door canvassing.
|
|
|
|
Post by jonsnow on Nov 16, 2017 3:18:37 GMT 1
Doesn't matter who we're playing we still have the cost of putting the game on, players wages have to be paid too.
Why would you want to boycott a game and harm the club you support, that makes no sense at all. According to the statement that was put out we're going to make a loss on this game, after costs, the splitting the gatewith Glenafton etc, the club will lose money. On top of that all we have had coming in this month was the ICT home match.
Yes it is a lot for a cup game against a junior team and if we had a bigger support it could've been reduced, but we don't, and if you want to have a team to support then go and help the club stay afloat.
|
|
|
|
Post by jonsnow on Nov 16, 2017 3:33:24 GMT 1
|
|
|
|
Post by misdemeanor on Nov 16, 2017 9:00:09 GMT 1
With respect to the club statement before committing to running LFC they (directors)would see the fixtures in advance and would surely know what were going to be lean months and plan accordinglly.
Its actually quite sad to think outwith cup game if we were to win the league we actually could not afford to be promoted.
|
|
|
|
Post by bobimck on Nov 16, 2017 10:46:42 GMT 1
For being on the younger end of the scale for the teams support, (20+) £18/£20 is a lot of money to be asking from us, never mind anyone else. Maybe this is why we aren’t getting a lot of the younger adults in. But that’s a discussion for another day. The asking price at the gate is just too much for a glenafton game. I believe you’re not going to get a turn out due to the prices. I’d hate to see how the glenafton support are going to feel
|
|
|
|
Post by orco on Nov 16, 2017 12:05:12 GMT 1
I'll be there! Mon the Livi! www
|
|
|
|
Post by jonsnow on Nov 16, 2017 14:18:40 GMT 1
For being on the younger end of the scale for the teams support, (20+) £18/£20 is a lot of money to be asking from us, never mind anyone else. Maybe this is why we aren’t getting a lot of the younger adults in. But that’s a discussion for another day. The asking price at the gate is just too much for a glenafton game. I believe you’re not going to get a turn out due to the prices. I’d hate to see how the glenafton support are going to feel From that statement it would seem the young fans aren't taking up the exceptional offer of £18 for a ST, or free entry to School kids, which makes them think reducing prices wont increase the attendance sufficiently to justify doing so, and they'd make an even greater loss. If anyone has constructive criticism that offers a solution they've been invited to do so on the Livi FC FB page by John Ward. Last season Livi had the lowest gate price in League 1, and took a hit for staying FT, this season they've kept their gate price the same as the lowest in the Championship, they've normally been pretty decent in pricing cup games too, so I don't think they're trying to rip fans off and other such accusations I've read being bandied about. Just a pity it wasn't an away game, Glenafton would've been able to put it on at a fraction of the cost and the gate prices would've been a lot lower, just our luck really, we finally get a home draw in a cup comp and get drawn against a junior side. |
|
|
|
Post by jonsnow on Nov 16, 2017 14:33:42 GMT 1
With respect to the club statement before committing to running LFC they (directors)would see the fixtures in advance and would surely know what were going to be lean months and plan accordinglly. Its actually quite sad to think outwith cup game if we were to win the league we actually could not afford to be promoted. They couldn't have foreseen we'd get a home draw against a junior team though. If we got promoted I dare say glory hunter fans would come out of the woodwork to attend our games in the top flight, especially when we played Celtic and The Rangers. Away fans would make a huge difference to our attendances too, the higher the league the more away fans you get. I think our advertising and promotions could be worked on, but I don't envy the person the job, West Lothian are a tough nut to crack trying to get them interested in Livi FC. |
|
|
|
Post by jonsnow on Nov 16, 2017 16:58:17 GMT 1
Interesting to note too that in earlier cup games at home was had reduced prices and didn't see a dramatic increase of attendances.
Livi v Partick Thistle- £10 adults/att 1,119. A lot of that would be Thistle fans too but still nothing great considering the price and playing an Premiership team.
Livi v Airdrie-£12 adults/att 617. A league 1 side but still, quite close for travelling and a decent gate price but not much of a crowd.
So on that evidence making this game £10 or £12 didn't look promising that the att would rise significantly to cover the expenses and make a big enough difference for doing so.
|
|
|
|
Post by bobimck on Nov 16, 2017 19:40:57 GMT 1
Interesting to note too that in earlier cup games at home was had reduced prices and didn't see a dramatic increase of attendances. Livi v Partick Thistle- £10 adults/att 1,119. A lot of that would be Thistle fans too but still nothing great considering the price and playing an Premiership team. Livi v Airdrie-£12 adults/att 617. A league 1 side but still, quite close for travelling and a decent gate price but not much of a crowd. So on that evidence making this game £10 or £12 didn't look promising that the att would rise significantly to cover the expenses and make a big enough difference for doing so. I’m not being funny, you just contradicted yourself. Fair enough £2 difference, but £2 is a lot of money to some folk. And that £2 had an extra 400+ through the gate lol  |
|
|
|
Post by jonsnow on Nov 16, 2017 23:37:34 GMT 1
Interesting to note too that in earlier cup games at home was had reduced prices and didn't see a dramatic increase of attendances. Livi v Partick Thistle- £10 adults/att 1,119. A lot of that would be Thistle fans too but still nothing great considering the price and playing an Premiership team. Livi v Airdrie-£12 adults/att 617. A league 1 side but still, quite close for travelling and a decent gate price but not much of a crowd. So on that evidence making this game £10 or £12 didn't look promising that the att would rise significantly to cover the expenses and make a big enough difference for doing so. I’m not being funny, you just contradicted yourself. Fair enough £2 difference, but £2 is a lot of money to some folk. And that £2 had an extra 400+ through the gate lol I would say that the opposition had more to do with the 502 extra fans than the £2 price difference, as I said in my post, Partick Th brought a lot of fans through, prob half were their fans, but for a Premiership team only paying £10 it still wasn't that great. So reducing the price didn't make a great deal of difference. It is a fallacy that halving the price doubles the attendance, and in our case it has been proven as such. In both occasions this season when we've had low prices we barely had 500 Livi fans through the gate. |
|
|
|
Post by Mr Angry on Nov 17, 2017 12:39:26 GMT 1
If we can't afford to be full time then why are we? How much does the stadium cost us each year?
|
|
|
|
Post by misdemeanor on Nov 17, 2017 15:29:30 GMT 1
If we can't afford to be full time then why are we? How much does the stadium cost us each year? Great question and it deserves an answer from the board. If we were part time would we be a championship side? And the stadium under utillised yet we used to have all the 5 a side pitches which generated monies plus the nightspot now we have a pub which is never opened apart from match days. WLC Already building social properties next to the ground on land surrounding the stadium would tell you that if the stadium was fully taken over by WLC then demolished the land would utilised for social housing stock. Hopefully they would find a contribution in the coppers to fund or partly fund a stadium. |
|
|
|
Post by Auldnick on Nov 18, 2017 2:51:21 GMT 1
Don't think anyone has said we can't afford to be FT; the problem is lack of revenue this month & the bottom line is as JW says that the club is being run as a business (or at least they are trying to do so) which means, like any business, they need income to remain in business.
What is disappointing about this comment was that the optimistic words at the new dawn of JW's takeover are already being replaced by words that suggest tough times are just around the corner, because 'if we don't raise money to pay our bills we won't exist' can be easily interpreted to mean 'we are struggling to pay our bills' which is a hairs breadth away from 'here come the administrators' - I don't think he meant it that way, I think he was simply stating the obvious but he could have used a better phrase such as "we are a business & want to make a profit" given he had already indicated we would probably make a loss on this match.
|
|
|
|
Post by misdemeanor on Nov 18, 2017 18:52:56 GMT 1
Well its not looking that good. JW is not going to keep sinking money into a club that cannot seem to attract fans and give us a revenue.
Today was a perfect result what greed does only 743 fans, 250 travelling
Simply not enough.
|
|
|
|
Post by Mr Angry on Nov 18, 2017 19:19:48 GMT 1
JW should cut our cloth accordingly. If he's spending money we don't have then that's his fault, no one else's.
|
|
|
|
Post by Auldnick on Nov 18, 2017 22:37:40 GMT 1
The thing about today was that the east stand didn't need to be open; the whole crowd could have been catered for in the west stand which presumably would have been cheaper than opening the east stand for less than. 300 people.
However, would the crowd have been that much bigger if it had been cheaper? JS's stats suggest not.
Easy enough win so hopefully we get a money spinner at Celtic or the tribute act.
|
|
|
|
Post by misdemeanor on Nov 19, 2017 19:20:48 GMT 1
The thing about today was that the east stand didn't need to be open; the whole crowd could have been catered for in the west stand which presumably would have been cheaper than opening the east stand for less than. 300 people. However, would the crowd have been that much bigger if it had been cheaper? JS's stats suggest not. Easy enough win so hopefully we get a money spinner at Celtic or the tribute act. The tribute act we would probably beat them but even a full house at Govan they would say there was only 10,000 lol. But your right they opened the other stand because some lunatic phoned the club and told them there was 5 buses coming so we laid on the red carpet treatment for them. A money spinner live on Sky is what we want next round but no doubt it will something like cove rangers away |
|
|
|
Post by jonsnow on Nov 21, 2017 18:50:44 GMT 1
JW should cut our cloth accordingly. If he's spending money we don't have then that's his fault, no one else's. That's being a little bit too simplistic Mr Angry, there's a lot more to it than just cutting our cloth. The rent on our stadium can't be cut, no matter what we do it is set by the Council, not Livi. Going part time wont change what we pay in rent, but it would most likely have us dropping down to League One, which would have a knock on effect on our attendance dropping, less money through the gate and from the league's prize money, so again we cut our cloth and round and round the vicious circle we go. |
|
|
|
Post by jonsnow on Nov 21, 2017 18:57:33 GMT 1
Well its not looking that good. JW is not going to keep sinking money into a club that cannot seem to attract fans and give us a revenue. Today was a perfect result what greed does only 743 fans, 250 travelling Simply not enough. Again, how is it greed, it's economics from a business perspective. I also don't see how you can say the £18 is an example of anything other than he was right in setting that price. The crowd was bigger than when we had the £12 gate price against Airdrie. Basically you've got your hard core Livi support going no matter what the price has been, and not enough fair weathered fans or neutrals to justify dropping the price. |
|
|
|
Post by Auldnick on Nov 22, 2017 23:04:36 GMT 1
That's not quite right tho; we didn't cut the price so we have no idea how many fair weather fans and neutrals would have turned up if we had - you are assuming they wouldn't have as they didn't previously for cut price games... But how well advertised were the previous cut price games? As I recal they weren't apart from the OCS. Had they been properly advertised perhaps more folk would have turned up, we'll never know because they weren't. Just like Saturday's game wasn't advertised properly...probably because the club would have been roundly criticised for the price they set.
But it's all hypothetical anyway.
|
|
