afro
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Post by afro on Jan 9, 2017 23:46:42 GMT 1
I've just clocked Gallagher's sister's comments in all of this... A shame that his daughter has went without a father for a fair period of time but DG himself has said he was there during the incident. It's his fault alone, really, reading that you'd wonder if it was him who was attacked. All is said and done now, hopefully both the player and club can make the best of the situation now. |
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Post by Auldnick on Jan 10, 2017 9:14:15 GMT 1
Herald has rehashed a lot of old information and quotes alongside Dec saying he just wants to move on from here. It's a non-story really and certainly doesn't merit the attributed headline which suggests he was giving a public airing to his side of the story.
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Post by durnford on Jan 10, 2017 12:42:00 GMT 1
I've just clocked Gallagher's sister's comments in all of this... A shame that his daughter has went without a father for a fair period of time but DG himself has said he was there during the incident. It's his fault alone, really, reading that you'd wonder if it was him who was attacked. All is said and done now, hopefully both the player and club can make the best of the situation now. "Attacked" implies that Steven Findley was simply minding his own business whereas this was the culmination of a fight that had gone on for some time having started in the hotel and then carried on outside. I'm not condoning what happened in any way but it does seem that the Record and Mirror in particular have really been frothing at the mouth for a mock-rage and the Herald has rehashed the same old thing. From some accounts it appears that Gallagher's uncle acted "inappropriately" towards Findley's girlfriend and took a bit of a beating as a result. All that aside if three guys were waiting outside for you to settle the score would you leave the relative security of the hotel to go and "talk to them"? I'm no shrinking violet by personally I'd have stayed in the hotel until my taxi arrived. Family or not DG shouldn't have got involved; there was no way this could have ended well. I would however say that for all the time he's been with us his conduct both on and off the pitch has been exemplary. He's bound to face a lot of stick from the away support particularly if does his job and shuts the gate against their strikers. He'll just have to be strong enough to ride through it. Maybe Lithgow can give him some pointers. |
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Post by jonsnow on Jan 10, 2017 21:44:00 GMT 1
That's what I thought too Durnford, the 'victim' does seem to have been involved in something earlier that provoked this assault, not that it excuses the use of a baseball bat on his head, I just don't think he's blameless in all of this.
I think peer pressure on a young man lead Gallagher into getting involved in this and it landed him a prison sentence. You've had players like Duncan Ferguson and Derek Riordan who had reputations for getting into fights, Gallagher doesn't seem to be like that and I think he deserves a 2nd chance to prove it was a one off bad choice.
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Post by misdemeanor on Jan 12, 2017 8:51:19 GMT 1
Good stuff? In what way "good stuff"? It does not matter how desperate we are to sign a CB, Declan (appropraite name Dec..as is Decked his victim) should not be signing for LFC. Dundee let him go for the reputational aspect, ours is non existant thats why fans stay away, we should be a good news comnunity club, a club that even its bar should be open 7 days a week, and thats not the bar for any assualt charges. This post has caused quite a stir amongst those that post here, he is not needed at the club, we are doing fine without him. Its hardly good stuff unless of course your our assistant manager plying his trade....! i think you better clarify what you mean by this... Are you suggesting that it is only good stuff if you are Martindale, assisting in the coaching of a pretty decent defender in Gallagher?... In which case you clearly agree with Jonsnow, and in which case why are you suggesting otherwise? Or (and I seriously suggest you think carefully before replying) Are you suggesting that Gallagher would not be averse to using something that Martindale has allegedly (I have seen no proof to this effect) supplied in the past? I have no idea what line you are going down here? Plying his trade simply meant doing what Martindale does best and this work as a football coach and to all accounts a very good one. I would be interested though as there is or seems to be an underlying trend here with Martindale? Maybe Im missing something? The only thing that I can suggest DG would get from his coaches is advice Im not sure that can pre determined as "using" though? Yep totally beat me here, bit like that BBC 1 programme...."Pointless" |
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Post by Mr Angry on Jan 12, 2017 21:51:19 GMT 1
The only thing that I can suggest DG would get from his coaches is advice Im not sure that can pre determined as "using" though? Yep totally beat me here, bit like that BBC 1 programme...."Pointless" What coaching badges does Martindale hold? |
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Post by Auldnick on Jan 12, 2017 22:31:46 GMT 1
The only thing that I can suggest DG would get from his coaches is advice Im not sure that can pre determined as "using" though? Yep totally beat me here, bit like that BBC 1 programme...."Pointless" What coaching badges does Martindale hold? A quick Google search on him reveals his conviction for being involved in supplying drugs but it also shows his initial reluctance to get involved & his subsequent regret at having been involved. He joined the club in a voluntary capacity to work towards getting his coaching badges. It also indicates disclosure Scotland were consulted along with the SFA. I don't know how long it takes to achieve them but I'd suspect it's more than the 18 months or so he's been here. It would seem that he is in a better position than most to advise youngsters on the dangers of using drugs. Which is apparently part of his job. |
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Post by Auldnick on Jan 12, 2017 22:34:02 GMT 1
i think you better clarify what you mean by this... Are you suggesting that it is only good stuff if you are Martindale, assisting in the coaching of a pretty decent defender in Gallagher?... In which case you clearly agree with Jonsnow, and in which case why are you suggesting otherwise? Or (and I seriously suggest you think carefully before replying) Are you suggesting that Gallagher would not be averse to using something that Martindale has allegedly (I have seen no proof to this effect) supplied in the past? I have no idea what line you are going down here? Plying his trade simply meant doing what Martindale does best and this work as a football coach and to all accounts a very good one. I would be interested though as there is or seems to be an underlying trend here with Martindale? Maybe Im missing something? The only thing that I can suggest DG would get from his coaches is advice Im not sure that can pre determined as "using" though? Yep totally beat me here, bit like that BBC 1 programme...."Pointless" Glad you took my advice to think carefully before you answered.... So what you are saying is essentially the same as the rest of us, that this is a good move by the club as it gives a decent coach a decent player to work with, which is of course completely contradictory to how you started out that post by saying we shouldn't have signed him. Clearly you talked yourself round from "in what way is it good? We shouldn't have signed him" to "it's hardly good unless you are the coach, getting to coach a good player" (combining your original comment with your clarification). Good to see you have been won over to be supportive of the club's signings. You shouldn't let pointless beat you, it's a simple game show, I wouldn't worry about it as they are purely for entertainment purposes. The Chase is more enjoyable anyway. |
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Post by orco on Jan 12, 2017 23:24:42 GMT 1
Can I continue this debate by saying that I prefer Pointless to The Chase.  |
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Post by misdemeanor on Jan 13, 2017 9:07:05 GMT 1
 [/quote]A quick Google search on him reveals his conviction for being involved in supplying drugs but it also shows his initial reluctance to get involved & his subsequent regret at having been involved. He joined the club in a voluntary capacity to work towards getting his coaching badges. It also indicates disclosure Scotland were consulted along with the SFA. I don't know how long it takes to achieve them but I'd suspect it's more than the 18 months or so he's been here.
It would seem that he is in a better position than most to advise youngsters on the dangers of using drugs. Which is apparently part of his job. [/quote]
Well that is a revelation.....lets hope no free kicks this weekend then!!
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Post by misdemeanor on Jan 13, 2017 9:29:31 GMT 1
I have no idea what line you are going down here? Plying his trade simply meant doing what Martindale does best and this work as a football coach and to all accounts a very good one. I would be interested though as there is or seems to be an underlying trend here with Martindale? Maybe Im missing something? The only thing that I can suggest DG would get from his coaches is advice Im not sure that can pre determined as "using" though? Yep totally beat me here, bit like that BBC 1 programme...."Pointless" Glad you took my advice to think carefully before you answered.... So what you are saying is essentially the same as the rest of us, that this is a good move by the club as it gives a decent coach a decent player to work with, which is of course completely contradictory to how you started out that post by saying we shouldn't have signed him. Clearly you talked yourself round from "in what way is it good? We shouldn't have signed him" to "it's hardly good unless you are the coach, getting to coach a good player" (combining your original comment with your clarification). Good to see you have been won over to be supportive of the club's signings. You shouldn't let pointless beat you, it's a simple game show, I wouldn't worry about it as they are purely for entertainment purposes. The Chase is more enjoyable anyway. I took no advice. In no way have I been won over regardless of how the player performs or peoples views on this forum. We are allowed in the UK freedom of speech, I will exercise that right. I note from your original comment, now I understand the Martindale situation, that you were suggesting that I was implying that DG was "using" ? I find that implication or suggestion highly and deeply offensive. My views amongst others will be echoed on this forum as well as my vocal views on Match days especially against a situation that should never arose. It would been interesting on your views had the victim been a member of your own family or indeed a Livingston FC supporter. Violence in my opinion has no place in society, for you it does, forgive and forget the victim didnt suffer that much brain hemmorages are easy to cure these days , couple of paracetemol and be own your way. Dont get me wrong it happens every day in every part of the UK thete will be violence ,but surely when you get given a career that so many kids dream of being you have to respect the professional life you have chosen and act accordinglly. I respect the lad has to move on in life, but purely IMO this was not the club to continue his career. |
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Post by misdemeanor on Jan 13, 2017 9:31:48 GMT 1
Can I continue this debate by saying that I prefer Pointless to The Chase. Must admit the Chase is more entertaining but dont forget about Eggheads 😂 |
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Post by Auldnick on Jan 13, 2017 9:31:53 GMT 1
Can I continue this debate by saying that I prefer Pointless to The Chase. Really? Hardly anyone ever wins on either show. They are both better than Tipping Point, that's for sure. Although it can be compelling viewing when the jackpot disc is close to the edge. |
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Post by Auldnick on Jan 13, 2017 9:50:16 GMT 1
Glad you took my advice to think carefully before you answered.... So what you are saying is essentially the same as the rest of us, that this is a good move by the club as it gives a decent coach a decent player to work with, which is of course completely contradictory to how you started out that post by saying we shouldn't have signed him. Clearly you talked yourself round from "in what way is it good? We shouldn't have signed him" to "it's hardly good unless you are the coach, getting to coach a good player" (combining your original comment with your clarification). Good to see you have been won over to be supportive of the club's signings. You shouldn't let pointless beat you, it's a simple game show, I wouldn't worry about it as they are purely for entertainment purposes. The Chase is more enjoyable anyway. I took no advice. In no way have I been won over regardless of how the player performs or peoples views on this forum. We are allowed in the UK freedom of speech, I will exercise that right. I note from your original comment, now I understand the Martindale situation, that you were suggesting that I was implying that DG was "using" ? I find that implication or suggestion highly and deeply offensive. My views amongst others will be echoed on this forum as well as my vocal views on Match days especially against a situation that should never arose. It would been interesting on your views had the victim been a member of your own family or indeed a Livingston FC supporter. Violence in my opinion has no place in society, for you it does, forgive and forget the victim didnt suffer that much brain hemmorages are easy to cure these days , couple of paracetemol and be own your way. Dont get me wrong it happens every day in every part of the UK thete will be violence ,but surely when you get given a career that so many kids dream of being you have to respect the professional life you have chosen and act accordinglly. I respect the lad has to move on in life, but purely IMO this was not the club to continue his career. Of course you are entitled to your opinion, just as the rest of us are. But again you reveal a lack of understanding of my posts. 1. I wasn't suggesting Dec is "using"; I was trying to establish whether you were trying to suggest that yourself when you brought Martindale into the debate. Thankfully you have clarified that. If you care to search my posts on the Martindale situation I think you'll find I do not believe the man is still involved in any thing illegal, that wasn't clear from your reference to him being the beneficiary of Dec re-signing. 2. Never at anytime in any of my posts have I condoned violence. However, I have always given Dec the benefit of the doubt, even after his appeal failed as I happen to think he has been very open about his level of involvement when the chap was severely injured but he has always denied being there when any bat was wielded. My reading of the court case as reported in the papers (not the best source I admit but all I had access to) left me with a reasonable doubt as to Dec being the bat wielding person involved. Let me be clear, He shouldn't have been involved at all but I'm not convinced he was involved to the extent to which he was actually found guilty of in court. I have no issue with guys getting a chance to rebuild their life after serving whatever time the court gives them. |
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Post by misdemeanor on Jan 14, 2017 12:25:55 GMT 1
I took no advice. In no way have I been won over regardless of how the player performs or peoples views on this forum. We are allowed in the UK freedom of speech, I will exercise that right. I note from your original comment, now I understand the Martindale situation, that you were suggesting that I was implying that DG was "using" ? I find that implication or suggestion highly and deeply offensive. My views amongst others will be echoed on this forum as well as my vocal views on Match days especially against a situation that should never arose. It would been interesting on your views had the victim been a member of your own family or indeed a Livingston FC supporter. Violence in my opinion has no place in society, for you it does, forgive and forget the victim didnt suffer that much brain hemmorages are easy to cure these days , couple of paracetemol and be own your way. Dont get me wrong it happens every day in every part of the UK thete will be violence ,but surely when you get given a career that so many kids dream of being you have to respect the professional life you have chosen and act accordinglly. I respect the lad has to move on in life, but purely IMO this was not the club to continue his career. Of course you are entitled to your opinion, just as the rest of us are. But again you reveal a lack of understanding of my posts. 1. I wasn't suggesting Dec is "using"; I was trying to establish whether you were trying to suggest that yourself when you brought Martindale into the debate. Thankfully you have clarified that. If you care to search my posts on the Martindale situation I think you'll find I do not believe the man is still involved in any thing illegal, that wasn't clear from your reference to him being the beneficiary of Dec re-signing. 2. Never at anytime in any of my posts have I condoned violence. However, I have always given Dec the benefit of the doubt, even after his appeal failed as I happen to think he has been very open about his level of involvement when the chap was severely injured but he has always denied being there when any bat was wielded. My reading of the court case as reported in the papers (not the best source I admit but all I had access to) left me with a reasonable doubt as to Dec being the bat wielding person involved. Let me be clear, He shouldn't have been involved at all but I'm not convinced he was involved to the extent to which he was actually found guilty of in court. I have no issue with guys getting a chance to rebuild their life after serving whatever time the court gives them. Fair point lets just get behind the team and get this league wrapped up.... |
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Post by livifc67 on Jan 14, 2017 14:08:01 GMT 1
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Post by theflashingblade on Jan 14, 2017 14:40:49 GMT 1
Decent piece and some frank words from Declan but I do wish he'd show at least some remorse. If not for actually bashing the victims head in then for at least getting involved in the first place. |
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Post by Auldnick on Jan 14, 2017 15:42:33 GMT 1
That was more like what I expected from the Herald headline so well done Record/Courier for actually getting something fresh on the story.
TBF, TFB, I'm 99% sure he did show remorse for his involvement during his appeal if not before. I'm sure I mentioned it at the time when he came back while released awaiting the appeal hearing & I would have read it in one of the press reports.
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Post by misdemeanor on Jan 14, 2017 21:15:44 GMT 1
That was more like what I expected from the Herald headline so well done Record/Courier for actually getting something fresh on the story. TBF, TFB, I'm 99% sure he did show remorse for his involvement during his appeal if not before. I'm sure I mentioned it at the time when he came back while released awaiting the appeal hearing & I would have read it in one of the press reports. Were still skipping about the question I asked earlier in terms of how anyone on here would feel if it was a member of their family who had been the victim if there was still the support mechanisim towards the player |
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Post by Auldnick on Jan 15, 2017 15:59:19 GMT 1
Can't possibly answer a hypothetical with a definitive answer as until you are faced with the exact situation you really don't know how you would react, you only know how you would like to think you would react. And as none of us know the exact circumstances of how the events that night transpired then we can't even know that.
For example, there are reports which suggest the victim started the trouble that led to him being injured. If that was the case, how would we react to that? It would probably depend on what the original antagonism involved but if my relative was the catalyst to an incident that ended with them in hospital I would recognise that they weren't entirely innocent themselves. However, blood being thicker than water I'd probably be very angry with the other party for taking things to such an extreme.
If my relative was not the one who started it but who responded to the antagonist with violence & came off worst, I'd probably be more angry but would still acknowledge that my relative was not completely free of guilt for escalating the problem.
If my relative was the victim of an unprovoked attack then I'd want the perpetrator locked up & the key thrown away.
Once any jail time was served, I'd like to think I would react in the same way that I have responded to DG rejoining Livi... But as mentioned above... until I am actually in that situation then I really don't know for 100% certain how I would react. I certainly hope I am never in that situation.
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Post by livifc67 on Jan 16, 2017 9:44:23 GMT 1
If this happened to a member of my family I would want to find the real culprit that used a baseball bat and make sure they were locked up for it. I wouldn't just blame a footballer because he was at the scene when it happened, thinking "oh I could maybe make some money off this guy" which is what I've been told happened.
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Post by misdemeanor on Jan 16, 2017 12:49:19 GMT 1
If this happened to a member of my family I would want to find the real culprit that used a baseball bat and make sure they were locked up for it. I wouldn't just blame a footballer because he was at the scene when it happened, thinking "oh I could maybe make some money off this guy" which is what I've been told happened. Well were back then for the family to take stand and find the real culprit and get any charge laid against the player admonished |
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Post by jonsnow on Jan 16, 2017 18:47:09 GMT 1
Were still skipping about the question I asked earlier in terms of how anyone on here would feel if it was a member of their family who had been the victim if there was still the support mechanisim towards the player Or flipping it the other way round, how would you feel if it was your relative banged up for something he didn't do and didn't get the benefit of the doubt from people when he got released and was allowed back playing football at the club that stuck by him and believed in him. |
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Post by livijimbo on Jan 16, 2017 20:04:58 GMT 1
If this happened to a member of my family I would want to find the real culprit that used a baseball bat and make sure they were locked up for it. I wouldn't just blame a footballer because he was at the scene when it happened, thinking "oh I could maybe make some money off this guy" which is what I've been told happened. who told you this? |
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Post by The Lions' Den on Jan 16, 2017 22:07:27 GMT 1
A few posts have been tidied up as the posts that were quoting previous posts were getting a bit hard to follow.
Hopefully nothing has been lost!
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