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Post by colcal on Dec 30, 2016 18:29:49 GMT 1
The 'word on the street' is that Declan Gallagher is set to join us next week, until the end of the season, immediately upon his release from prison. He'll be required to wear a tag.
I believe that everyone makes mistakes and that we all deserve a second chance to prove that we've learned from our wrongdoings............but I'm sure it will cause some heated debates on these boards.
From a footballing perspective, and being somewhat parochial about it as a Livi fan, is this something that we ought to be doing at a time when we are top of the league and going so well?
Is Declan Gallagher, from a footballing perspective, worth all of the hassle that will come from taking him back on? Will the negative news that surrounds it, and the unwanted media clamour for stories, become a distraction at a time when the club is enjoying a period without controversy off the field?
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Post by jonsnow on Dec 30, 2016 23:36:57 GMT 1
From a footballing perspective it would be a really good signing, he's a CB and holding midfielder rolled into one. He will be the ball player that would link our defence to our midfield and set up attacks, which will cut down on the long balls punted up to our small strikers.
We're also meant to be signing an ex Partick Thistle player who was banned for failing a drugs test, so there will be a moral outrage overload on here.
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Post by livijimbo on Dec 31, 2016 8:58:26 GMT 1
Disaster !!
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Post by misdemeanor on Dec 31, 2016 10:20:32 GMT 1
Really, I mean Really. WTF. I for one do not want him back at the club, apologies to anyone who is offended by this but once again he was found guilty FFS.
So lets put this into perspective you pass a guy kicking the living daylights out of another, but its no issue really as the guy that is causing the damage to another human being is a footballer from your own club. Tell you what mate, stand aside let me help you do further damage.
For those of you who support this signing you are all as guilty as he is. I for one will once again voice with my fellow supporters in the stand our displeasure. If this leads to friction amongst you so be it, an appalling move in my opinion.
We might as well sign Chad he surely must be on the radar.
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Post by Auldnick on Dec 31, 2016 12:43:18 GMT 1
Chad? Do you mean Ched Evans? The guy who had his guilty verdict overturned because he was actually innocent of the charges against him? Too late, he's already playing again down south.
Gallagher was found guilty but was nothing but professional during his previous stint at the club, it seems to me he was already self-rehabilitating before being sent to a minimum security prison. If his behaviour in the prison system has indicated that he can be released then fair enough, although having said that I would actually like to see sentences completed regardless of behaviour but that is a separate issue.
I have no issue with anyone who has served their time being allowed to rejoin society and to earn a living.
Misdeameanor, you say "let's put it into perspective" and accuse anyone who supports this as being as guilty as he is... No one is condoning his actions, so I'm afraid you are drawing an illogical conclusion.
Col, you raise some good questions, do we need the undoubted negative publicity? If we had a decent PR person then they could use any publicity to show a more positive view but I think you may be correct in your assessment that the media circus could prove detrimental.
JS, based on the performance level we have seen from him in the past, he would make a very good signing in purely football terms.
So, not against it but not 100% in favour either.
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Post by misdemeanor on Dec 31, 2016 17:40:46 GMT 1
Auldnick - Really, my quote was illogical. So serious assault is logical then?
He is not a world beater, average player at most.
This rehab stuff is bollocks, ok if its a non violent offence (to a degree and no one was hurt) but if you serious want the Livi support to welcome back a guy that caused harm to another human being, you are just as guilty as he is. Your deluded have no respect for society or for any other human living. There is no debate here get that convicted idiot and his supporters out of Livingston. Appalling..
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Post by Auldnick on Dec 31, 2016 20:28:49 GMT 1
Aye, Misdeameanor, cause that is clearly what I meant, (rolls eyes) - good grief the number of people on here that think they are clever but can't even read properly. My apologies, perhaps I do you a disservice, I should give you the benefit of the doubt here, perhaps English is your second language?
Why allow non violent offenders a free pass? Are you saying that he can steal money as long as it doesn't involve violence? Why? No, if you're going down that road you have to be consistent, zero tolerance on crime... If any Livi player or fan has broken any law or supports anyone who has done so.... Get lost all of you, there's nothing for you here. This is a local club for local people who never make mistakes & never break the law, go on on your bikes you ne'er-do-wells, begone you reprobates, disappear you dastardly devils!
And next home game there will be no fans in the stand and no players on the pitch... Bliss.
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Post by livijimbo on Dec 31, 2016 21:02:49 GMT 1
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Post by Pedro on Jan 1, 2017 12:43:15 GMT 1
He caved a boys head in with a baseball bat and has shown no remorse.
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Post by orco on Jan 1, 2017 13:53:24 GMT 1
We know he was there when it happened and he has been rightly punished. He has maintained he did not do the actual deed. I have no idea what the truth of the matter is or what led up to the incident but I'd say he deserves a chance to start again.
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Post by livifc67 on Jan 1, 2017 14:13:32 GMT 1
The following statement was written on the daily record facebook page by Gallaghers sister....
I just can't begin to understand all these comments from so many strangers that no nothing about my brother or his life, let me enlighten you's all with a few facts my brother has only ever wanted to play football since way before he could walk so much so he has put his life and soul into the game and missed out on many things, to everyone saying he is not a role model I have to disagree I have watched my brother chase after his goal all his life and achieve so much that many of us couldn't and for that he will always be my role model, now let's not forget that there are many down falls that come with his so called fame and this article is one of them, not one part of this article is correct and I wonder how many of you's can really believe this nonsense, set up for a crime he did not commit and has not once moaned while he is paying someone else's time, it is because of football he is where he is to be made an example of when he is an innocent man, may you's all think of that next time you's have something to say my brother has lost one of the most important years of his life with my niece being born she still smiles away every time she sees her daddy even though she spends every night in castle Huntley visiting him because he is her hero, our family has been ripped apart but we still stay strong as it is the opinion of the many people who know us and Declan that really count, yes my brother will play again as it is what he deserves the football teams know he is an innocent and kind man and will stand behind him the full way as we all will until his name is cleared, you will forever be my hero Declan ❤️
Maybe he hasn't shown remorse because he never done the crime... hopefully we can hear his side of the story one day. Remember, not everyone in prison is guilty. The justice system in our country is a joke. I'd be happy to see him back in a Livi strip.
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Post by Auldnick on Jan 1, 2017 15:29:54 GMT 1
If memory serves he did show remorse for what he claimed was limited involvement, he consistently denied/denies using a bat or other similar implement. If he was to show remorse for that then he would be admitting he did it, therefore to be consistent he cannot show remorse for something he claims he didn't do.
Prison is full of people who claim they didn't do it.... some of them are probably telling the truth.
Well said Orco.
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Post by livijimbo on Jan 1, 2017 19:47:21 GMT 1
Let him try somewhere else he's not that good I'd rush out and sign him. On another matter can we actually afford him?
Where are the LFL Trust when you want some answers.........
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Post by jonsnow on Jan 2, 2017 14:25:01 GMT 1
He's better than any of the defenders we've got, probably better than any that the other League One teams have too, we'd be silly not to sign a player that would improve our chances of promotion.
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Post by colcal on Jan 2, 2017 15:41:34 GMT 1
He's better than any of the defenders we've got, probably better than any that the other League One teams have too, we'd be silly not to sign a player that would improve our chances of promotion. That was probably true before he went to prison but I don't think anyone can honestly say how good he is a year on without having seen him play. Either way, he can't possibly be match fit and it'll take him several games to achieve that. Assuming he does sign, I imagine he'd have to play for the development team to catch up on match fitness. He was a quality player, although prone to being too casual sometimes. He should be good enough for League One. |
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Post by livijimbo on Jan 2, 2017 17:26:36 GMT 1
My point is can we afford him?
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Post by jonsnow on Jan 2, 2017 18:32:22 GMT 1
He's better than any of the defenders we've got, probably better than any that the other League One teams have too, we'd be silly not to sign a player that would improve our chances of promotion. That was probably true before he went to prison but I don't think anyone can honestly say how good he is a year on without having seen him play. Either way, he can't possibly be match fit and it'll take him several games to achieve that. Assuming he does sign, I imagine he'd have to play for the development team to catch up on match fitness. He was a quality player, although prone to being too casual sometimes. He should be good enough for League One. He's been training with Raith for a month or so, so should be reasonably fit, i'd take him over Lithgow or Crighton even half match fit. If we sign McMillan at RB too then i'd put Halkett and Gallagher together as our CB pairing, they'd be a formidable pairing. Jimbo, Gallagher and McMillan are looking to get back into the game, I doubt we'll need to pay them high wages to sign them, much like De Vita, playing for us will get them in the shop window for next season and more likely to get a move to a bigger team, or one paying them better than us. |
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Post by misdemeanor on Jan 3, 2017 10:02:41 GMT 1
He caved a boys head in with a baseball bat and has shown no remorse. Well said could not have put it better myself |
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Post by misdemeanor on Jan 3, 2017 10:25:52 GMT 1
The following statement was written on the daily record facebook page by Gallaghers sister.... I just can't begin to understand all these comments from so many strangers that no nothing about my brother or his life, let me enlighten you's all with a few facts my brother has only ever wanted to play football since way before he could walk so much so he has put his life and soul into the game and missed out on many things, to everyone saying he is not a role model I have to disagree I have watched my brother chase after his goal all his life and achieve so much that many of us couldn't and for that he will always be my role model, now let's not forget that there are many down falls that come with his so called fame and this article is one of them, not one part of this article is correct and I wonder how many of you's can really believe this nonsense, set up for a crime he did not commit and has not once moaned while he is paying someone else's time, it is because of football he is where he is to be made an example of when he is an innocent man, may you's all think of that next time you's have something to say my brother has lost one of the most important years of his life with my niece being born she still smiles away every time she sees her daddy even though she spends every night in castle Huntley visiting him because he is her hero, our family has been ripped apart but we still stay strong as it is the opinion of the many people who know us and Declan that really count, yes my brother will play again as it is what he deserves the football teams know he is an innocent and kind man and will stand behind him the full way as we all will until his name is cleared, you will forever be my hero Declan ❤️ Maybe he hasn't shown remorse because he never done the crime... hopefully we can hear his side of the story one day. Remember, not everyone in prison is guilty. The justice system in our country is a joke. I'd be happy to see him back in a Livi strip. Just a couple of wee points on the comments made above. Call me synical but if you or I had been committed or connected or implemented in any such way to such a crime would you not ear mark your defence to such an extent to prove your innocence. The UK has more cameras than any part other country in Europe surely if you were not there or in a location close to the incident and if there was no substantial sightings of that linked you in any shape or form then surely to god you would find some way in proving your innocence? The family support has to be commended but for them this is where their battle starts and that is getting this case over turned and all charges removed from public record. |
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Post by afro on Jan 3, 2017 19:18:54 GMT 1
I usually only ever read posts on here, rather than posting, but this potential signing really highlights to me that Livingston really need someone with some PR nous. Pretty difficult to build a football club if less than reputable characters are only ever linked with us.
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Post by livijimbo on Jan 3, 2017 19:25:37 GMT 1
Can we afford him?
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Post by afro on Jan 4, 2017 0:21:35 GMT 1
Given that we are running at a loss this season the answer is obviously no. I'm assuming that if he signs, the board are assuming his performances will assure promotion. Speculating to accumulating has served us well previously... |
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Post by Auldnick on Jan 4, 2017 0:54:55 GMT 1
He caved a boys head in with a baseball bat and has shown no remorse. Well said could not have put it better myself No, he was found guilty of something akin to the description, not sure caved-in is totally accurate. He has consistently denied this. Doesn't mean he didn't do it but neither does being found guilty by a jury mean that he did, it means that as far as the law courts are concerned he did. |
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Post by Auldnick on Jan 4, 2017 0:58:30 GMT 1
Given that we are running at a loss this season the answer is obviously no. I'm assuming that if he signs, the board are assuming his performances will assure promotion. Speculating to accumulating has served us well previously... Given he is trying to reestablish himself as a player, I suspect he won't be that expensive. Personally, I think we are more in need of acquiring a properly signed keeper and a proper right back than another CB |
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Post by iamarobot on Jan 4, 2017 15:15:00 GMT 1
Good authority that hes signing tomorrow and will be in the squad for Saturday, tag and all, whether we like it or not.
Clearly the fans views not that important to board when trying to run a football club.
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