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Post by Livi News on Oct 24, 2016 17:12:20 GMT 1
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Post by jonsnow on Oct 24, 2016 17:54:29 GMT 1
Thought we'd get chucked out plus a fine so not all bad, need to win this again to break even. Anyone know if Lithgow is ok to play this game, bloody farcical and hilarious if he is.
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Post by cterry103 on Oct 24, 2016 18:34:31 GMT 1
I think that the outcome is albeit not great, it could have been worse.
I would still like some clarity as to how suspensions work for the teams outwith the SPFL
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Post by bazzaboy on Oct 24, 2016 18:42:41 GMT 1
I'm well angry about this situation I among others that night paid lot of money on flights and accommodation .I understand that Livi where not aware about the ruling or Alan lithgowwould not had played that night.a neutral venue even like Stranraer would have fair that way livi fans could least travel by car and bus to game
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Post by edinlivi on Oct 24, 2016 19:27:27 GMT 1
Agree with Bazzaboy. Paid good money to go over and support the team, only to be, once again, let down by the administrative incompetencies of those in charge at Livingston. Although, I disagree with your second point, why should the Crusaders team/fans be inconvenienced by our inability to follow basic protocol?
Interesting that the fine applied was exactly that provided by the SPFL to cover travelling charges to a Northern Irish/Welsh game. So I guess it's realistically more of an £8000 fine, assuming the cost incurred for the replayed game is similar to that of the first game we played over there.
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Post by edinlivi on Oct 24, 2016 19:29:17 GMT 1
Thought we'd get chucked out plus a fine so not all bad, need to win this again to break even. Anyone know if Lithgow is ok to play this game, bloody farcical and hilarious if he is. I don't see why he wouldn't be? He's technically served his suspension now, as he didn't play in the game following the Cup game (Albion Rovers). Agreed, it would be comical if it was the same team to line up in Belfast. |
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Post by bazzaboy on Oct 24, 2016 20:10:26 GMT 1
Subs bench your right why should crusaders cc suffer our stupid y just angry at the time and correct it should be played at Seaview just a shame only a week away and be lucky if any fans their to cheer the team on .It's a sad day a big fine we cannot afford and defeat could cost us for the live game with new saints
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Post by bel187 on Oct 24, 2016 20:24:22 GMT 1
Can Rafa play?
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Post by jonsnow on Oct 24, 2016 20:49:09 GMT 1
Don't see why not, he's not played for a club this season so can't be cup tied, and is registered to play for us (I hope) in the SPFL league games, so the same body run this cup. For the players and the travelling fans from the first game I really hope we win this again and get to the Quarter Finals. |
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Post by jonsnow on Oct 24, 2016 20:52:59 GMT 1
Thought we'd get chucked out plus a fine so not all bad, need to win this again to break even. Anyone know if Lithgow is ok to play this game, bloody farcical and hilarious if he is. I don't see why he wouldn't be? He's technically served his suspension now, as he didn't play in the game following the Cup game (Albion Rovers). Agreed, it would be comical if it was the same team to line up in Belfast. How sweet would it be if Lithgow scored the winning goal. |
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Post by Pedro on Oct 24, 2016 20:54:00 GMT 1
Is there a precedent for replaying the game?
I wonder what criteria they used to come up with this 'punishment'?
Back of a fag packet?
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Post by jonsnow on Oct 24, 2016 20:59:20 GMT 1
I don't think there are ever set rules for any SPFL/SFA ruling.
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Post by bel187 on Oct 24, 2016 21:00:12 GMT 1
Only wondering as signed after the date of the original tie?
Dont want to fall foul a second time as dont think the fine would be that low again
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Post by livijimbo on Oct 24, 2016 21:01:14 GMT 1
It's Doncaster he wants another freebie trip to Belfast. Shame it's the fans that are shafted again.
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Post by jonsnow on Oct 24, 2016 21:07:04 GMT 1
Only wondering as signed after the date of the original tie? Dont want to fall foul a second time as dont think the fine would be that low again That would be one sneaky ninja rule to knacker us if that applied, he's already played for us and this fixture has just been made today so surely Rafa is fine to play! |
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Post by orco on Oct 24, 2016 21:20:29 GMT 1
Should be played at a neutral venue in Scotland. It is a Scottish competition and as such the Lithgow ban was applied by SFA rules which may not have applied to Irish and Welsh players suspended by their respective associations. The £4000 fine should stand but be used for Crusaders' expenses.
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Post by Auldnick on Oct 24, 2016 21:39:08 GMT 1
Disagree, if the tie has to be repalyed it ought to be in Belfast, Crusaders didn't break any rules.
According to what I read the club admitted guilt and that surprised me a little.
As regards player eligibility.... The club better double check who is eligible.
For Lithgow to be eligible to play would be farcical; on the other hand if he is not eligible then he will have served an extra game suspension.
For Rafa to be eligible to play I suspect he would have needed to have signed before a qualifying date prior to the original game...but he could be eligible.
The only sensible course of action is to get a definitive list in writing from the SPFL of who is eligible and who isn't
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Post by livilad2001 on Oct 24, 2016 21:47:50 GMT 1
We where lucky we didn't get throwing put the cup, just annoyed at the fact we need to replay them again, as for rafa he will be able too play against them as he ain't cup tied hope we beat them by four or five this time.
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Post by orco on Oct 24, 2016 21:51:03 GMT 1
Crusaders are benefitting by getting a second bite at a game they lost. It was 11v11 and I doubt Lithgow was a key player.
There are too many anomalies re player eligibility in this competition and I doubt very much that the SPFL thought through the complexities at the outset.
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Post by Auldnick on Oct 25, 2016 0:16:14 GMT 1
Teams have been docked points for fielding ineligible players in league matches which is effectively the equivalent of losing the game, so being disqualified would have been a similar penalty in a knock out tournament.
Brechin, Spartans and East Stirling have all been ejected from the Scottish Cup for ineligible players in recent years, So getting a replay is a decent outcome.
Brechin did have 2 ineligible players, originally it was thought to be 1 and they were fined £10k and told to replay but when they discovered the second one it was another £10k and out the cup.
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Post by livijimbo on Oct 25, 2016 6:29:56 GMT 1
Teams have been docked points for fielding ineligible players in league matches which is effectively the equivalent of losing the game, so being disqualified would have been a similar penalty in a knock out tournament. Brechin, Spartans and East Stirling have all been ejected from the Scottish Cup for ineligible players in recent years, So getting a replay is a decent outcome. Brechin did have 2 ineligible players, originally it was thought to be 1 and they were fined £10k and told to replay but when they discovered the second one it was another £10k and out the cup. This cup is not governed by the SFA, so get the Scottish Cup nonsense out of your head. It's not a league match, so get a points deduction out of your head as well. No merit in mentioning either to be honest as neither are appropriate for this situation. There is nothing in the rules to suggest they would have kicked us out. I expected a heavy fine, but replaying the game is fine, we just need to get on with it. No no matter what way it was cut the fans are the ones to suffer and are the last thing Doncaster & his merry men think of. |
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Post by Auldnick on Oct 25, 2016 8:47:36 GMT 1
I was merely pointing out what happens in those competitions and saying that similar punishments COULD have been meted out, when there is no precedent in a specific competition and no specific punishment recorded in the competittion's rules then it would make logical sense to examine what has happened in similar circumstances in other competitions. It seems to me that it would be fairly sensible if the same rules did apply...but this is Scottish football we are talking about.
I could also have mentioned Legia Warsaw getting punted from the CL for fielding an ineligible player in that competition last year.
Governing bodies may be different but if there is any consistency (which we all know there isn't) then punishments should be the same across the board for the same offence.
Of course, given the situation in the incident with Brechin that I mentioned and the original punishment when it was thought only 1 ineligible player had played... For clarity...they were given a £10k fine and told to replay the game... I could point out that a fine and a replay sounds uncannily like the situation we find ourselves in, so clearly my comparison, contrary to your dismissal of it, was pretty much on point.
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Post by jonsnow on Nov 4, 2016 11:30:59 GMT 1
Apparently the SFA held a hearing yesterday and served Lithgow with a one match suspension. They've reapplied his ban so he serves his 2nd game suspension, which is confusing as he's already sat out a two match suspension against Peterhead and Albion Rovers!
Anyway, unless we hear otherwise he's suspended for the East Fife game tomorrow.
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Post by ladywelllion on Nov 4, 2016 12:38:03 GMT 1
this is totally confusing, Lithgow is being punished twice for something he had no control over. The SFA is being run by a bunch of fools
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Post by orco on Nov 4, 2016 12:59:20 GMT 1
They're not fools. They know exactly what they're doing. 😣
They are deliberately rubbing our noses in it!
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