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May 15, 2016 22:46:57 GMT 1
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Post by colcal on May 15, 2016 22:46:57 GMT 1
Relegation sparks panic and recriminations. All too often, clubs rush into the mistake of sacking the managerment team and clutch desperately for new hope from elsewhere. Burnley have shown the way. Retain the manager, retain as many players as possible and look to bounce back quickly. Continuity is better than wholesale change.
We've had season after season of turnlo and change. Pre-season shambles and delayed starts. Lost opportunities in the transfer windows and new season preparations.
I'd like us to stick with the current set up, keep David Hopkin, try to hold on to as many of the squad as we can.
Let's have a coherent pre-season. Build on what we have.
Let's hold on to a manager for more than a few months.
Getting off to a new start will renew optimism and bring the fans back. A winning team is more likely this coming season and that's more likely with a club that has the courage of its convictions to keep the current team (in all aspects).
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Post by jonsnow on May 15, 2016 23:08:05 GMT 1
I'd give up all hope if we keep Hopkin, really would fear us following Cowdenbeath with a double relegation with Hopkin still in charge. Nothing against the guy, he just isn't managerial material, he'd be better suited sticking to coaching youth players.
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May 15, 2016 23:33:24 GMT 1
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Post by Mr Angry on May 15, 2016 23:33:24 GMT 1
'Who' appointed Hopkin as manager? Who appointed Martindale as assistant manager? 'They' should sack the pair of them. Awful appointments.
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Post by Auldnick on May 16, 2016 6:47:44 GMT 1
The example of Burnley is perhaps not a good one, Dyche got them promoted before, he had what it takes and they made a decent attempt at staying up in the Premiership. Continuity is useful but not if the incumbents aren't up to the task.
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Post by cterry103 on May 16, 2016 12:50:11 GMT 1
Would agree that we need a stable management team but don't think Hopkin is the man for the job
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Post by edinlivi on May 16, 2016 15:06:43 GMT 1
I'd agree with the sentiment of the OP, if I had any faith in Hopkin.
For me, he was, and still is, not up to the task of managing Livingston.
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May 16, 2016 17:51:32 GMT 1
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Post by colcal on May 16, 2016 17:51:32 GMT 1
Those who wanted rid of Burchill, including the Board, ended up with Hopkin. I'm struggling to see why another change would be any more likely to result in success. Who would be better? Who could we afford? What guarantee of success would that bring?
Remember that we have no cash so the manager, whoever that is, can only shop for free transfers and try to find youngsters in the hope that the club could sell them on in a year or two.
A new manager would need time to bring in his own players, sort out a system of play and then get it working in time for the new season.
Continuity is safer than gambling on a new guy. In any case, it looks like Hopkin must be staying if all these new faces are arriving...........so let's all get behind him.
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May 16, 2016 20:44:57 GMT 1
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Post by edinlivi on May 16, 2016 20:44:57 GMT 1
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Post by Auldnick on May 16, 2016 21:10:19 GMT 1
Gus McPherson has worked wonders at an amateur club; I suspect he would have been easy enough to lure back into full time football.
That said, it's too late now...might as well get behind Hoppy, who knows, with a close season and a proper chance to build a squad maybe he can do the business
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Post by jonsnow on May 16, 2016 21:15:13 GMT 1
Those who wanted rid of Burchill, including the Board, ended up with Hopkin. I'm struggling to see why another change would be any more likely to result in success. Who would be better? Who could we afford? What guarantee of success would that bring? Remember that we have no cash so the manager, whoever that is, can only shop for free transfers and try to find youngsters in the hope that the club could sell them on in a year or two. A new manager would need time to bring in his own players, sort out a system of play and then get it working in time for the new season. Continuity is safer than gambling on a new guy. In any case, it looks like Hopkin must be staying if all these new faces are arriving...........so let's all get behind him. I'm struggling to see how any Livi fan that watched Hopkin's tactics and team selection/positioning of players can think it is a good idea to keep him on. |
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Post by jonsnow on May 16, 2016 21:20:26 GMT 1
Gus McPherson has worked wonders at an amateur club; I suspect he would have been easy enough to lure back into full time football. That said, it's too late now...might as well get behind Hoppy, who knows, with a close season and a proper chance to build a squad maybe he can do the business He better get off to a wining start or it isn't going to be pleasant for him, he's carrying the baggage of being in charge taking s down to League One, I doubt he'll get much time from the fans before they start getting on his back. |
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May 16, 2016 21:36:14 GMT 1
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Post by colcal on May 16, 2016 21:36:14 GMT 1
Ultimately, it doesn't really matter if you like Hopkin, think he's up to it it would rather have someone else in charge. He's the manager and we should all get behind him now.
He inherited a team that was failing and brought in some changes to the squad in January. Did I agree with his team's and tactics every game? Definitely not - but we're all experts in the stands.
I say we need to let him shape his own squad, get a solid preseason under his belt (which makes a change for Livi) and see where that takes us.
Hes the manager - let's give him the benefit of the doubt and support him fully. Bring on the season tickets!!
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May 16, 2016 23:07:29 GMT 1
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Post by toughatthetop on May 16, 2016 23:07:29 GMT 1
A lot of crap he brought in most of the players who relegated us I'm off here my season ticket wont be renewed good bye friends this is my last post
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Post by Auldnick on May 17, 2016 0:04:35 GMT 1
Cheerio cheerio cheerio, tough at the top? Soft in the middle more like. Whatever happened to the concept of "Livi till I die"?
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Post by orco on May 17, 2016 0:45:09 GMT 1
Aye, when the going gets tough, the tough get going.  |
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Post by jonsnow on May 17, 2016 0:59:40 GMT 1
He'll be back on as Toughatthebottom.  |
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Post by misdemeanor on May 17, 2016 8:55:49 GMT 1
Relegation sparks panic and recriminations. All too often, clubs rush into the mistake of sacking the managerment team and clutch desperately for new hope from elsewhere. Burnley have shown the way. Retain the manager, retain as many players as possible and look to bounce back quickly. Continuity is better than wholesale change. We've had season after season of turnlo and change. Pre-season shambles and delayed starts. Lost opportunities in the transfer windows and new season preparations. I'd like us to stick with the current set up, keep David Hopkin, try to hold on to as many of the squad as we can. Let's have a coherent pre-season. Build on what we have. Let's hold on to a manager for more than a few months. Getting off to a new start will renew optimism and bring the fans back. A winning team is more likely this coming season and that's more likely with a club that has the courage of its convictions to keep the current team (in all aspects). Brilliant positive post, this is exactly what we need |
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Post by misdemeanor on May 17, 2016 8:56:56 GMT 1
A lot of crap he brought in most of the players who relegated us I'm off here my season ticket wont be renewed good bye friends this is my last post see ya, people like you we do need at the club, bye now... |
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Post by misdemeanor on May 17, 2016 8:57:56 GMT 1
Ultimately, it doesn't really matter if you like Hopkin, think he's up to it it would rather have someone else in charge. He's the manager and we should all get behind him now. He inherited a team that was failing and brought in some changes to the squad in January. Did I agree with his team's and tactics every game? Definitely not - but we're all experts in the stands. I say we need to let him shape his own squad, get a solid preseason under his belt (which makes a change for Livi) and see where that takes us. Hes the manager - let's give him the benefit of the doubt and support him fully. Bring on the season tickets!! Bring them on Im buying 4 this year, 1 for me and three to give to potential new fans |
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Post by misdemeanor on May 17, 2016 8:59:38 GMT 1
'Who' appointed Hopkin as manager? Who appointed Martindale as assistant manager? 'They' should sack the pair of them. Awful appointments. Ridiculous post, support the cub, support the structure, simples, either sit or get off the potty |
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Post by misdemeanor on May 17, 2016 9:00:39 GMT 1
I'd give up all hope if we keep Hopkin, really would fear us following Cowdenbeath with a double relegation with Hopkin still in charge. Nothing against the guy, he just isn't managerial material, he'd be better suited sticking to coaching youth players. Another negative post, lets give him time unless you want to fund a new manager personally?? |
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Post by misdemeanor on May 17, 2016 9:01:42 GMT 1
Ultimately, it doesn't really matter if you like Hopkin, think he's up to it it would rather have someone else in charge. He's the manager and we should all get behind him now. He inherited a team that was failing and brought in some changes to the squad in January. Did I agree with his team's and tactics every game? Definitely not - but we're all experts in the stands. I say we need to let him shape his own squad, get a solid preseason under his belt (which makes a change for Livi) and see where that takes us. Hes the manager - let's give him the benefit of the doubt and support him fully. Bring on the season tickets!! Totally agree |
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May 17, 2016 9:19:42 GMT 1
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Post by bobafett on May 17, 2016 9:19:42 GMT 1
And how long should Hopkin be given before its agreed that he is not the man for the job?
He took over around Boxing Day and could not turn the tide despite bringing in several new faces and moving others out during January
There is a world of difference between Negativity, Blind Optimism and Reality, for me nothing that Hopkin did last season fills me with anything but fear that we are sink like a stone as he lacks the required skills to me a successful manager
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May 17, 2016 11:25:31 GMT 1
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Post by theflashingblade on May 17, 2016 11:25:31 GMT 1
And how long should Hopkin be given before its agreed that he is not the man for the job? He took over around Boxing Day and could not turn the tide despite bringing in several new faces and moving others out during January There is a world of difference between Negativity, Blind Optimism and Reality, for me nothing that Hopkin did last season fills me with anything but fear that we are sink like a stone as he lacks the required skills to me a successful manager Totally agree |
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Post by orco on May 17, 2016 11:28:18 GMT 1
I can see the sense in trying to go for continuity after such a long period of binning managers so often. The last period of reasonable success was under Gary Bollan who managed to get a bit over two seasons as Livi manager. But of course we all know what happened to him (!!) and since then we've been on the slide - apart from the one off Petrofac cup.
In saying that, there are a couple of things that concern me about things that happened last season. I have never been able to understand how Darren Cole could be out injured for many weeks and then walk back into the team. And more than that how he could continue to command a starting place for so long in spite of some awful performances. I didn't like the way DJ was treated. After a couple of poor games he was dropped like a hot brick and rarely featured after that even though his successor was hardly error free. Man management and team spirit is important in football so there should be no signs of favouritism or otherwise. I am also not sure that having someone in the dugout who is involved in the day today running of the club is a good idea. The possibility of the manager being undermined on occasion concerns me.
I'll still be buying my season ticket and now that the decision has been made to keep the status quo I will be supporting the team as usual. I do hope that my reservations are unfounded and we have a successful season.
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